Wilmington College Men’s Soccer – Coach Cory Bucur
On today’s episode, I speak with Coach Cory Bucur from the Wilmington College Men’s Program in Ohio. We talk about how they recruit a lot from within their highly talented region. He describes the school’s excellent facilities. Lastly, we discuss their talented and energetic staff. Learn more about Wilmington College Men’s Soccer.
Matt: [00:00:00] Hi everybody. Welcome to Discover College Soccer. Today I’m lucky enough to be joined by Coach Cory Bucur at Wilmington in Ohio. Welcome, coach.
Coach: Thanks for having me, Matt. I appreciate it.
Matt: Yeah, thanks for being here. I grew up, uh, not too far from Wilmington, probably, I don’t know, hour and a half probably from my, my hometown of Pickerington Ohio.
But, um, And, and as we were just talking here before, I love to see one of my fellow St. Charles alums on your roster, so I’m sure he’s. Probably the best player, best dude and everything on the team, just cuz he went to St. Charles. But
Coach: you know Exactly, you know, if you came from there, I mean it’s a long history of, uh, talented men, soccer player.
Matt: So some, something like that. Something like that. Well, I appreciate it. So, uh, well let’s jump in. Let’s talk about, uh, Wilmington College a little bit. You know, division three program. When do you. Really start talking to players and kind of starting to form those recruiting classes. What year in high school or the kids, or when do they start reaching out, that kind of thing.
Coach: Yeah, and that’s a great question and especially, [00:01:00] so, I mean, this is my first year here at Wilmington College, so this is year four for me being a head coach. So I was previously at Defiance College, which is another ncaa, uh, division three school within the region. Um, so I’m still, there are subtle differences that I’m still figuring out, but still that I think that spring of your junior year or kind of right after your high school season of your junior year is really when the more serious kind of, uh, communications start.
I think that club season, um, of your, of your junior years is important because fall is kind of crazy for everyone, whether it’s your high school season, we’re in the full swing of our college season, so it’s kind of hard. Um, get out and see things. So that spring gives everyone a little bit more flexibility to really get past to just, um, kind of the basic conversation into some real, uh, nuts and bolts of our school, who we are getting to see players and so on.
Matt: Yeah, no, that makes sense. H how many inbound contacts do you think [00:02:00] you get? You know, I know, and I’ll say average week, and I know it varies because of tournaments and other things, but you know, what’s the inbound traffic that you’re getting from kids who are sophomores, juniors, even seniors during that time?
Coach: Yeah, and I think, um, I mean, some of it is just kind of the automated, whether it’s through NCSA or, or field level or Captain U. Type thing, which, um, I’m not saying it’s more or less detailed or personalized because sometimes people use that as an initial resource, but then still kind of really personalize it, which is good.
Um, but I mean, per week combining those and some actual just kids finding my email and reaching out. I, I’d say probably about, you know, 15 contacts of some sort. So, I mean, you what, Multiply that by four, you’re looking at 60, uh, a month. Give or give or take, depending on the season. So, um, there is a bit of traffic, which we sort out, you know, Prioritize [00:03:00] based on the year, based on kind of what they’re saying in their message, if we have a connection with a coach or region or something like that.
Um, so probably that 15 range per week.
Matt: Okay. What, what are some of your kind of must see tournaments, places you have to make sure you get to each year that you’re really using to, to check players out?
Coach: Yeah. Well, I mean, our location at Wilmington. Kind of phenomenal because Blue Chip is one of the big ones within the region.
Now I don’t even have to book a hotel for that. It’s a 30 minute drive there, 30 minute drive back, forget about a easy day for me. Um, so I mean, Blue Chip Crossroads are kind of the big ones within the region, um, that we really prioritize. I mean, Grand Park. For the last couple years has been doing a great job at showcasing, uh, uh, top talent.
And I think now being at Wilmington, uh, in the oac, um, now the Disney showcases come into play, um, because we can, uh, recruit that [00:04:00] little bit more. Profiled club student athlete. Um, so it’s just kind of the, the big ones. Um, we still like to have a a in person presence at. So whether it’s in the region, out of the region, um, I mean, Disney, blue chip, crossroads are kind of the big three that come to mind.
Matt: Yeah, that’s, I always get the question of what tournaments outside the main, you know, ecnl and, and mls. Next. Tournaments of Blue Chip and Crossroads are definitely the ones I hear more, uh, of in, in the Midwest. Um, what about camps? How do they fit into your whole recruiting cycle? Do you do camps? Does your, you and your staff work at other camps?
Where does that, what does that look like?
Coach: Yeah, I mean my summer is crazy because, I mean, that’s what I try and um, kind of prioritize is just getting out. Um, I mean not only for me, it’s nice to make connections with coaches and kind of see different, um, kids in different locations, but we also do them and I think it’s very valuable because I think one’s on our campus, but guys, [00:05:00] cuz it’s more of our, our staff running it and it’s like, how do you fit within.
How our staff runs things, how is our relationship? When you coach, how do you react to feedback? How do you react to kind of our, um, kind of our verbiage, our language and like, are you able to enjoy yourself within our environment? So I know people have different philosophies on them, whether it’s a, a money grab or, um, how much do people seriously look at them?
I think that the ones on our campus are very important to our personalized recruiting because we wanna recruit directly from there because we see you in person on campus. Then the student allows them to kind of, you know, probably after camp or if they come in the night before, get to walk around campus or drive around and see the town and community.
So it’s also a good opportunity for them to, uh, a little bit more just envision. Can I see myself? Wilmington at school B, School D, whatever it may be. Yeah.
Matt: Well, whether [00:06:00] it. At a camp or at a tournament or any of those kinds of things. When you’re, when you’re watching players, what’s kind of your, your hierarchy of things that you’re looking at?
What kind of, you know, attributes, abilities, whether it’s on the field stuff or off the field. Stuff that really kind of ticks the boxes for you and, and, you know, makes you interested in a player.
Coach: Yeah. Um, I mean, like I, I’ll, I’ll be honest, even though like I’m a Liverpool guy, like Sir Alex Ferguson said the quote of like, he wants to get off his chair and be excited at something.
Like, I’ll be honest, I do love that. Like, can you do something that excites me? But then. The more bare bones foundation quality, Like I’m a big, What’s your reaction to mistakes kind of guy? Because I, I fully believe that we picked the most unrewarding sport in the world to, to play when, uh, we’re running around for 90 minutes, 80 minutes, however long the game is trying to score.
One goal, two goals, three. You know, basketball, you’re scoring 60 to a hundred points football, you’re putting up [00:07:00] numbers. So there’s going to be a lot of mistakes within that time. So how do you react to them? Like, do you just check out of the game because you get stuffed twice in a row, one V one, Does your head just drop down because you got beat one V one?
Or cuz you made a bad pass? Because, uh, I mean, kind of an environment that we try and create, it’s, I mean, by no means are we rewarding mistakes, but we, we try to make sure our guys and our coaching staff don’t harp on. Too much, just because in the natural flow of a game, there’s always going to be mistakes being made.
It’s how quickly can we correct them or can we have our reaction to them be, be a positive one to make up for it.
Matt: No, that, that’s good. In terms of the roster, uh, and what you’re recruiting is, is there, is there a roster size that you’re trying to hit each year and and how does that, you know, Tie into your recruiting every year and, and the numbers that you’re
Coach: bringing in.
Yeah. Um, I mean, and I think every program school is gonna have their different [00:08:00] philosophy. Um, this is, I mean, a Wilmington thing, but also just where I’ve been, what I feel like is optimal. I mean, we’re at 34 right now. Um, I think anywhere between 32 to to 42 is, is. Personal comfort zone because I do think it allows us like to have competition at practices while still giving guys real realistic opportunities to, Hey, I’m competing with two or three guys at my position.
Um, it’s not 4, 5, 6. It, it’s, uh, I see it, I see my match up. I could come talk to coach about the things that I needed to do better to, um, maybe improve my position. So, I mean, I think between that 32 and, and. 42, I mean, 45 at most is kind of where I see, um, me having success coaching a program while still being able to have personal interactions, creating competition.
I mean, injuries at this level are, unfortunately, they, they happen. So it, it’s having plans for those, [00:09:00] um, , but I mean, this might be a future question that you plan on asking. So I mean, we are one team. It’s not a varsity reserve team. But then we also, I mean this year we don’t have a whole lot, but in the future, like we do have reserve games for guys not getting first team minutes to say, Hey, here’s your chance to go improve yourself.
And that’s something, me, as the head coach, I, I find value at being at, and I let the assistant take a little more of the lead in terms. Tactics. I mean, we talk about the certain lineups together, um, but let them make some subs. Um, but I’m still there as a presence, so these guys are like, okay. It, it’s still for the.
The head coach, um, being able to play to who have value in that, but we all practice at the same time. We’re all going through the same drills, having the same opportunities. But I do think it’s good to give those guys some, some game time to go and, you know, showcase their talent abilities.
Matt: No, absolutely.
Well, the, the one question, you know, a lot of. Parents like to ask is, uh, how much is this gonna cost me? Right? So, uh, [00:10:00] you know, without any ac uh, athletic money, what’s the academic money and other, other grants and scholarships overall financial aid situation look like at Wilmington? What’s an average player gonna be looking at?
And I’m not holding you to hard to any numbers. No. That’s just gimme a, a good, a good idea of what, what’s going
Coach: on there. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, At the division three level. I mean, academics do factor pretty high into it. So I know like we’re fortunate enough that, um, I mean our top academic. Aid scholarship, uh, could vary between 18,520,000.
So, um, I mean, if you’re taking tuition, room, board, meals, all that together, we’re about that 43 range. I mean, that’s already cutting it down, but I mean, kind of around that 20 mark. And then we have, whether it’s scholarship, competitions, outside scholarships, we do offer. Different things of that nature. And then if you look at our roster makeup, I mean, we have [00:11:00] Ohio, but then we also have a good, um, out of region presence and international presence just because we do have, um, some outside funding for, um, out-of-state students, for international students, um, to help make the cost of attendance affordable and.
We’re still at the division three level. This is all tied into their academics, um, and kind of outside international qualifications. I mean, we’re not handing out full rides by any mean, that that’s not how we’re doing things. They’re still looking between, um, anywhere from that 15 that the 25 range. Um, but we do, um, have some good, um, outside scholarships to at least make.
in the conversation, um, with some other people. Okay.
Matt: Well, let’s talk more about the school. You know, there’s, I’m sure some folks out there who, who didn’t grow up in Ohio who maybe aren’t familiar with Wilmington College. Uh, so, you know, besides, you know, going on the website and learned a bunch of stuff, can you gimme some of the awesome [00:12:00] things, uh, or some things I may not know about Wilmington, that, that make it a, a, a great place to be?
Coach: Yeah, I mean, and, and I mean, some of it are things that I didn’t even realize until I got here. I mean, I’m a, I’m a Cleveland Ohio guy. That’s where I’m from. That’s where I grew up. I played college soccer 45 minutes outside of Cleveland. Um, so I, I always knew about Wilmington just because I kind of immersed myself in the soccer culture and knowing the OAC because of the prestige that it has as a Division three conference.
But I mean, something that I didn’t know, Like I didn’t know what, like we’re the fighting Quakers. Like I didn’t know anything about what it meant to be a Quaker. And it’s not like you have to be a Quaker to be at the school. But I mean, something our guys, I think they find cool is. Everyone’s first name basis here.
So like even your professors and your teachers, like it’s a first name basis that, um, it’s different. Like, especially like I went to a small private Catholic school, like St. Charles, like you’re probably used to, you know, it’s professor so and so, Professor Jones, you know, [00:13:00] Mrs. Mr. Whoever. And I think this creates a more personal, um, interaction with your teacher and being a student and athlete when you might have.
You know, miss a class because of travel for an athletic competition, um, because you have that little more personal interaction and with the personalized, like class sizes being between, you know, 15 to 25 students, um, I think it’s easy to find help when you need it. Um, and I, and I think that’s something that our student athletes are really finding success in, is, um, if you’re struggling.
It’s because you’re just not listening to all the resources that are here. The coaching staffs that here. So I think it helps our students be successful early on because I mean, college, it’s a whole new journey as a freshman when you get here. And I think some of that stuff makes it take a deep breath.
Okay, I could do this. Um, and then I think the facilities that we have on campus are outstanding. I mean, we have. , you know, our 11, like our, our turf stadium that we share with football, lacrosse, women’s sports. But then we also have [00:14:00] a a 99 turf facility that kind of goes right up against our athletic training services.
And, uh, about a 40, 50 by 50, uh, indoor turf facility. So, you know, when weather doesn’t allow us to be outside, we have things right on campus that. I know a lot of other schools don’t have, um, that kind of access to, so. Yesterday, unfortunately, it was the first time in my career that a game had to be cut short because of lightning.
And it’s, we’ve had great weather throughout the year and it just so happened to be like that. So we couldn’t go in and play 11 v 11 in this, uh, you know, 50 by 50 area. But it, it’s, we have awesome resources for our student athletes to get, um, just that ability to compete, train, Um, and then our athletic training program’s, one of our marquee programs here, our staff is phenomenal.
Um, so our guys. I mean better than everywhere. Anywhere I’ve heard of and seen even at Division 1, 2, 3. Our athletic training staff does an [00:15:00] incredible job of getting our guys treatment ready to go, uh, and services right here on campus. That makes it easy and accessible. Okay,
Matt: well in terms of, you know, other support systems, you know, what, what does the school offer to help the student athletes balance their academics and athletics and make sure that, you know, they are successful both in the classroom as well as as.
You know, in the athletic
Coach: arena. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, that’s something that’s super important, um, because I mean, my goal as a coach is to, from the soccer perspective, like give these guys an incredible four year experience with memories that last a lifetime playing in big games, finding success. Um, but it’s also about obtaining the degree.
And that’s, I know we got some guys. I don’t care that we’re division three that could probably find somewhere to play after graduation with their talent, their work ethic, their ability, but still having that degree because it will all come to end eventually. So, So that [00:16:00] is ultra important to the experience.
So I mean, we have a whole student success team. Um, With about four to five staff members that, you know, if kids are struggling or if they’re flagged early on in the year based on as incoming freshman, their high school gpa, or the classes that they took, or if they’ve been here and not exactly knocked it out of the park, that they have individual coaches, if you will, to, to make sure that they’re monitoring their progress, staying on top of things.
So, like I said, if you’re not succeeding, it’s just because you’re making. Physical and mental choice to not listen to all the resources that are there. Um, and that’s in addition to our coaching staff and, and the checks that we do and the individual meetings that we have to kind of nip any problems in the bud before it gets to the last week of the, of the semester.
And it’s like, All right, well you can’t do anything about it now. So it’s just the early. The student success teams, the free tutoring services on campus. Um, and I think, again, going back to those [00:17:00] personal interactions you have with your professors, I think it also makes you more inclined to want to succeed because they’re more than just this figurehead or like you’re a number type feel.
Matt: Yeah, no, for sure. Well, can you walk me through what a typical week during the season would look like? I mean, I know maybe there’s no such thing as a typical week, but, but we’ll call it average . Um, just in terms of, you know, when’s training, winter meals, winter are classes, you know, what’s your game cadence normally, that kind of thing, just to give folks an idea.
Coach: Yeah. And, and I mean, I think once we get into conference play, it does become more of a routine. Um, style because we play every Wednesday, Saturday, consistently non-conference, I mean, We’re just always trying to find games and squeeze ’em in as well as we can. So, I mean, with playing Wednesday and Saturday, um, Sunday is usually your off day, which I enjoy.
Uh, even [00:18:00] though it takes years outta my life, I get to watch the Cleveland Browns play and all that. But, um, and I mean, Monday, um, we, we typically will train at four o’clock. . Um, then we have, we have lifts and how we do our team lifts on Mondays. We only lift on Mondays right now just because I want our guys to physically do something, but I don’t want them to be sore, tired, exhausted for the game week.
Um, so those are broken up into like three individual times, so, Like at 8:00 AM to 9:00 AM 11:00 AM to noon, and then after practice session, depending on how your class schedule fits, just to give everyone an option. Um, so we practice at 4:00 PM to about 5 45 6:00 PM and then, um, Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, we take the six 30, um, to 8:00 PM eight 15.
Um, so we’re on the game field, um, going through the 11 aside, um, making sure our tactics are right for the game. [00:19:00] So on that Monday, we’re on that nine v nine turf, doing a lot of technical work, possession work, and finishing. So it becomes Monday practice with the Lift. Tuesday you’ll have your practice.
And then we let our guys go get dinner from the cafeteria, and then we come back and do our film session for our opponent on Wednesday. Play your game Wednesday. Thursday Recovery Practice, Friday, practice dinner film, and then Saturday’s the game. So it kind of flows into that sequence. So you’re kind of, your 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM is pretty free, minus a lift here and there.
Um, but something our coaching staff also takes pride in is making ourselves available for some individual small group work when it fits between our guys’ class schedules. So, you know, one of our assistant coaches takes the lead on that. Um, the, the guys reach out to him and whether it’s just like 30 minutes of work, hour of work, um, I think it’s been awesome to, for our guys to know that, hey, [00:20:00] I could just go and kick the ball around and do some cone work, but we actually have coaches.
That’s something that I prioritize our time around to give these guys the best experience possible to run these little mandatory nothing or nothing mandatory, voluntary sessions that if they want to put the work in, we always want to be be there to help them.
Matt: Oh, that’s fantastic. Let, let’s talk more about, about the team and, and, and the soccer side of things.
You mentioned staff, so, so how big is your soccer staff? What roles does everybody play? How do they fit into the equation?
Coach: Yeah. Um, so I mean, our soccer staff here, um, I mean we have including myself, four guys on staff, and. Yeah, that might seem like a lot, but it, it’s true to be told, it’s to a bunch of these guys on staff just wanting to be here and be involved.
So, um, we have, no one is a full time assistant coach, if you will. We have an intern position, which is taken by the, the former four year starting goalkeeper and captain of the team who really had pride in his experience and wanted to [00:21:00] stay involved with Felix Mauer. And I mean, I think to everyone’s credit, like they go above and beyond.
Title and what they wanna do. So, so Felix is here, and then Anton Nicholson. Anton was a former goalkeeper here as well, who works a remote, uh, kind of accounting work. Um, so after his eight to four, um, he, he’s available to run our goalkeeper sessions. And then Nick Stifle was a former player of mine at my, uh, previous institution.
Um, he graduated during the covid year. Wanted to kind of get involved in coaching. Joined our assistant, joined my previous staff as a, you know, volunteer type assistant coach. Um, but he’s a Cincinnati guy. So when I got this position, he came down with me, um, to be closer to home and he runs, um, kind of our strength and conditioning in those individual sessions.
So everyone kind of has a field that they’re kind of comfortable in, but we all kind of. Make sure we kind of do things together as well. So the guys know that we’re all [00:22:00] being involved in that. And within our staff, it’s two alums, myself and then a guy who I coached and kind of got to see him evolve. So I think that’s great for our student athletes to know that.
I mean we are younger as well, so it wasn’t that long ago that we were in the same positions they were in going through the same challenges to be able to understand their experience and kind of coach the most out of them and know, have that knowing of when it’s a tough day and kind of what kind of love that they need on the day.
And then also using the social media to kind of pump out the things that we’re doing and also reward our guys for wanting to promote their great performances. Um, so I think our coaching staff is able to underst. The things that they’re going through and it helps us work that little bit harder cuz we all enjoy it and we all love being around each other in the program.
And then in turn our guys feet off that energy. No,
Matt: that’s awesome. Well, you know, how would you describe your specific style of coaching? Kind of the team style [00:23:00] of play and what that culture of the team
Coach: is like? Yeah, I mean, when I look at my style, it’s the, I’m not a big screamer. I’m not a big yeller, but I, I set high expectations, but I.
Ask anything of my guys that I wanted to ask of myself or my coaching staff. So, like I said, this was year one for me, so I wanted to put my money where my mouth is. So we did a, you know, mile fitness test to start the year. So I, while I still can, I trained for that over the summer and ran it against our guys.
And I think that was a good benchmark of our guys, like, all right, like this guy might be corny, but he’s gonna be in the, he’s gonna be in the trenches bounding out with us. So, um, I think that’s kind of the, the style. . Um, I try to always explain or have a reason why I’m asking our guys because, um, this is 18 to 22 year old guys, even though maybe they won’t admit it, they, they wanna see physical proof of something actually being executed and successful before putting all their effort and energy.
So, I, I think it’s, [00:24:00] you know, the, the, I don’t wanna even say tough, but fair, it’s. Setting those high expectations, but knowing our guys, they know that I would do it. The rest of our assistant coaches believe in it, and just that kind of everyone being on the same page. So it makes it easier to, um, get things done that are asked.
So, um, it’s still having, knowing the time when the joke with the guys, knowing the time when it’s between the white lines, we’re, we’re being serious, knowing the time that, hey, these actions. Representing the program to the best of the ability. So we’re gonna be punished for it, and then rewarding our guys for the actions that really represent who we are as Wilmington College Men’s Soccer.
So, um, that’s kind of a roundabout way to, to talk about. My experience. Um, but I mean, I think it does help when all four of us on staff were all conference, you know, players not too long ago in our respective, um, colleges and roles. So I think our guys, it does give a, a little bit of an instant respect factor of, okay, these guys, they know [00:25:00] it, they, they’ve seen it, they do it, and we can prove to our guys whether it’s through a video session, Um, just physically seeing a tactic work that there, they, there’s full trust and, and I think that’s the, just the word of kind of the program, it’s trust, it’s family, and it might seem cliche, but, but to provide the, the best energy level to get the most out of our guys, it, it does have to have that tight bond.
Matt: Yeah. No, for sure. Well, you know, we’ve, we’ve covered a lot of ground, talked about a lot of different things here, and I always like to end these the same way. And that’s what didn’t we talk about? What, what else, uh, do you wanna let us know whether it’s about the school, the team, uh, recruiting, the college process in general for, for parents and players or, or anything?
Uh, I just kind of leave, leave it up to you.
Coach: Yeah. Um, I mean, I think it’s, . I think the one thing, and we touched on it a little bit, it’s just like the quality of soccer within, I mean, the state of Ohio, this region that, um, this is very, very high competitive [00:26:00] soccer and I think it’s important for recruits to go out and see it live or watch a live stream and not look at the division all the time.
And within the state of Ohio, believe me, there’s some incredible Division one programs and if you’re getting real legitimate love from those programs, Good for you, then that’s probably the, the place for you. But I mean, also I’d recommend like coming out and watching a game, like, I mean last night, it’s um, you know, there’s the national rankings and then there’s the regional rankings where usually the top five teams in our mid, like, kind of our region.
Region seven, I believe is our region, like make the national tournament. And it was number six versus number eight in the region. And it was a very high quality soccer game. I mean, early in the year we played currently number three or number four team in the nation, Kenyon, who’s even just an hour, 45 minutes away from us, um, to an incredible, you know, we, we lost one zero.
We missed a lot of chances. I [00:27:00] wish we could have back. They had two or one to three shots on goal and they just were good enough to score their one. We lost one zero, but just to see the quality of soccer live, like it’s fun for me to coach because of how high iq, high tempo, high intelligence, high.
Physical high, just making the right point at the right time. This level is so, um, it doesn’t really matter where you’re coming from, what club you’re playing for what high school level academy like, I’d come out and see some of the soccer within this region, uh, on campus somewhere we’re going or, or just to the benefit of other colleges, what they’re doing as well, because it’s, It’s fun, and this is something that as a student athlete I would wanna be a part of.
So I think, you know, Wilmington here, like just cracked the top eight region rankings like. On the cusp. I think if the ball bounce our other, other way a few times during the non-conference season, we could be in the top 25 discussion. Um, and [00:28:00] we’re gonna work our, our butts off to, to hopefully get there.
But this conference is, I, I lose a lot of sleep because of it, but it’s a lot of fun and I, and I think it’s a conference that kids should wanna play, play for. And if Wilmington’s the right fit for you, I’d, I’d be happy to coach him up. So, um, it’s definitely going out to campuses and seeing things. Soccer, the facilities academically and athletically, getting to meet some people, not just the coaches.
I think it’s awesome when you get to have a lunch like we do on campus with our recruits. You get to meet our guys, but usually it’s, you know, people not even involved in soccer coming up and just introducing themselves. I think it’s a very welcoming campus here and I just recommend, you know, people, if you got interest in playing high quality soccer and getting high quality education, reach out.
Come to the camp, schedule a visit, talk to me and check out a live stream and see what it’s all about. Awesome.
Matt: Well, coach, we wish you the best of luck the rest of the season. Hopefully you can, uh, You know, crack those poles and, and [00:29:00] get you where you need to go. And, and we’ll be keeping an eye on you and if you ever get down to, to, maybe, maybe not Disney, but img, I’m, I’m more on the Braden, I’m in the Bradenton area, so if you get down this way, let me know and, and hopefully we’ll get together.
But, uh, best of luck and thanks for the time.
Coach: Appreciate Matt.
