Trinity University Women’s Soccer – Coach Dylan Harrison

On today’s episode, I speak with Coach Harrison from the Trinity University Women’s Program in Texas. We talk about how he likes the team to be tough and technical. He describes the school’s wonderful location in a historically rich city. Lastly, we discuss the style of play they have been able to hold consistent over the years. Learn more about Trinity University Women’s Soccer.

[00:00:00] Matt: Hi, everybody. Welcome to discover college soccer today. I’m lucky enough to be joined by coach Dylan Henderson from Trinity university in Texas. Welcome. 

[00:00:07] Coach: coach. Yep. Dylan har Harrison, Harrison, 

[00:00:13] Matt: Harrison. Sorry. Sorry about that. right. Um, You know, I played, I played D three at Catholic university in Washington, DC, and we had Trinity college across the street, which was a small all-girl school.

[00:00:25] But, uh, you, you, you were the, the big mighty Trinity down there in Texas. Um, I know that the football team was always really good when I was in school. Uh, but the soccer team is really good too. Especially on the women’s side. You guys, uh, you’ve had a tremendous record while you’re there. Um, so I’m guessing with all that success, you got a.

[00:00:43] Hopefully, you got a lot of recruits that are interested in playing there. You know, how many, you know, inbound contacts would you say you’re receiving from prospects in a, in a given week? I know it ebbs and flows during the year, but, but, you know, average it out for me. 

[00:00:58] Coach: Yeah. I, I would say very easily. It’s probably up to 30, if not more.

[00:01:03] Um, and again, the unique part about it is obviously Texas is soccer heavy. Uh, so we get a good chunk from Texas, but we’re. Recognize, uh, across the country. So we’re getting emails from all over the place. And, you know, we, we actually try to do our homework and, and look into each and every one.

[00:01:21] Matt: Yeah. I mean, I noticed your roster, uh, you know, had, you know, a lot of different states represented. Um, so in terms of the recruiting for you, when you’re going out to, to tournaments, you know, are, are you guys well, what tournaments are you hitting that are kind of the, the must have, uh, for. For checking out players.

[00:01:40] Coach: Yeah. I mean, we go through our cycles, right. We go through the cycles of hitting all the big ones. Um, you know, your big national ECNL, uh, even with GA events, we’ve done all those. Uh, obviously it’s easy to get to events in Texas. Um, but every, every so often we’ll try to go ahead and spring and get into some areas that maybe we haven’t hit for a while.

[00:02:00] Uh, whether it’s, you know, Vegas, Arizona, Uh, those areas haven’t been up to the Northeast too much to be completely honest. Um, just the competition with so many schools like us up in that area. Uh, it’s hard to get people to come down, but that being said, uh, we got, we got an incoming student from the DC area coming next year.

[00:02:19] So, uh, it’s doable. We just gotta find other ways to, to get it seen. 

[00:02:25] Matt: Yeah. Well, you, you mentioned coming in next year, so, you know, when are you. Usually starting to look at players really starts the recruiting process. You know, what year are kids when you’re, when you’re talking to ’em and starting 

[00:02:39] Coach: to do that?

[00:02:40] Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s all over the board again. Um, I think, I think a good example of that is, you know, we’re actually bringing in a transfer from, uh, D one big 12, uh, program. And she was at our camp in eighth grade. Um, you know, but then the flip side. Uh, we’ve had some students who have come here, their second semester, their senior year, and we’re finally just getting in front of them for the first time.

[00:03:04] And, and that’s the really the final time that we’re going ahead and, and sealing the deal and, you know, them really loving the school and us being committed to them. Um, so we’re, we’re wide open. I think we’ve done a really good job of allowing the students to make the decision when they’re ready. Uh, and I think a good reflection of that is, you know, Having students that come here, stay here and play here for four years.

[00:03:28] Matt: So speaking of, you know, playing four years at the same place, how has the, the, the transfer portal affected you guys? If, if at all are, are, are you looking at that as a recruiting tool? 

[00:03:43] Coach: Yeah. Just break it up a little bit, man. I’m sorry about that one. Can you ask that again? Yeah. 

[00:03:49] Matt: Are you guys looking at the transfer portal at.

[00:03:52] In your recruiting 

[00:03:52] Coach: process? We, we, we do a little bit and really, uh, for example, like I said, we’ve now had three transfers, uh, the past two years. Um, but the reality is every one of those we recruited in the original process. Um, so it was. It later came out that it was like, yeah, it was either between us or where they ended up.

[00:04:16] Um, and so for them to have the chance to come back, I will say credit to each and every one of those students was, you know, how they handled that relationship, even letting us know that they were going to the other school was super important. Uh, you know, they were very professional about it. You knew that there was a genuine relationship and they’re able to express that through a phone call, what, whatever level we were at.

[00:04:36] And so when they pop back in the portal or they reach back out too. Uh, that’s, uh, makes it easier for us to go ahead and now have those conversations again. Um, but yeah, I mean, it’s, it’s a little bit of what we do. It’s more based on yeah. It’s more based on students that we’ve already had contact with.

[00:04:55] Matt: Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Unfortunately, we’ve got some sort of delay here. Uh um, in terms of, uh, camps, do you guys do your own, do you and your staff work at other people’s camps? How do camps fit into your recruiting process overall? 

[00:05:09] Coach: Yeah, we, we, we run our own, uh, we actually have one coming up, uh, that second weekend of August.

[00:05:15] Um, the good thing about that one is they’re really gonna get a glimpse of the university. Uh, our coaching staff, we run all the sessions. Um, even we have some of our current players who are hired to, to kind of just answer questions that, you know, you really shouldn’t even be asking coaches, uh, you know, the, the questions.

[00:05:36] You know, what’s my coaching style? I think they have a better idea of it than I could ever describe it. Um, so yeah, so we have that and then we do, we do go out and work other camps, whether it’s with some of the top clubs in Texas, um, that, that bring us in, uh, even my assistants done a really good job of working, uh, university of New Mexico camp, um, past few years.

[00:05:57] So, we’re open to going. Work in the camps and, and again, just finding different ways to see different players. Cuz we know that there’s quality players out there that might be interested in a school like Trinity. 

[00:06:10] Matt: so speaking of quality, you know, what, what are the qualities that, that you’re looking for in a player, whether, you know, when you’re watching him at a, at a tournament or at camps, you know, what’s kind of that hierarchy of, of things you want in a player, either off the field or on the 

[00:06:23] Coach: field.

[00:06:24] Yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s interesting. Uh, I think two, two kinds of things with it. Um, you know, just the type of school that we are. Uh, we tell a lot of our recruits that don’t come here too. Um, you’re gonna be known, uh, you’re gonna be known in your classes by your name and everything like that. Uh, so that’s that, that’s the first one, you know, when we go out and watch games, we wanna see the player that wants to be involved.

[00:06:47] Uh, you know, they don’t have to be on the ball all the time. Uh, but just staying connected, staying involved in the game is a huge part. Uh, and then we’ve kind even moved our model to, to tough and technical. Um, and, and so we’ve been able to go ahead and really identify some players who have those attributes, you know, when we talk about tough, uh, it doesn’t just mean, you know, strong as can be.

[00:07:07] Uh, it could be a tough matchup speed wise. It could mean just mentally tough, uh, the desire to win, to be competitive. Um, those are all attributes that we’re looking for. Uh, and there’s obviously. Different ways you can express that. Uh, whether it be, you know, in your play, uh, your attitude and us also doing the homework on the back end of talking to your coaches, cuz they’re working with you every day.

[00:07:34] Matt: Yeah. In terms of, how, how much are you talking to, you know, club coaches and that either to find players or, or, you know, one’s contacted you and you’re kind of doing your homework. Are you doing a lot of talking to club coaches? 

[00:07:49] Coach: We’re doing, we’re doing more of it. Um, I think it’s an area that we need to get into and, and just do, do absolutely more of it.

[00:07:55] Um, like I said, they’re the ones that are spending most of their time, uh, with their students. They’re having conversations of what they’re looking for that would interest them. Um, but yeah, where, where we’ve really started to hit it is okay. We’ve gotten a little bit further in the process with the student.

[00:08:10] Um, and now we just wanna find out some character things, uh, you know, what, what is there. Ethic, like what is their attitude if they come in and don’t start right away. Um, and, and so I think we’ve done a better job of that. Uh, and then the other thing that we’ve really started to see, especially with the type of student that we recruit is these coaches are actually wanting to reach out on their behalf.

[00:08:31] And so we’re having coaches call us before we even do that. And that just speaks so highly of their character and you know it, it lets us know. Okay. Like if the coach is willing to put their name out, on this, this player, that means that we’re recruiting the right type of person. 

[00:08:48] Matt: Okay. Well, I I’d be remiss if I didn’t talk about the thing that most parents want to talk about when it comes to college and that’s finances , um, obviously you don’t have athletic money to give, but can you just give me, you know, I’m not sticking you to hard numbers here or anything, but just gimme an overall idea of what the financial aid and, and tuition situation is at Trinity.

[00:09:11] Let’s say an average incoming player. 

[00:09:14] Coach: Yeah. I mean, and that’s, that’s the thing I don’t think, uh, I don’t think there is necessarily an average, um, where I will say that we do a probably good job if not better than most is. Uh, I think even, even in some of the reports we’ve been awarded one of the top merit based scholarships, uh, offers out there.

[00:09:34] Um, the other thing is we’re kind of operat. Very similar to the Ivys in regards to, uh, meeting full financial need. Um, so it is an extra step, you know, I’ve been at the division one side where we’ve been able to go ahead and offer those scholarships and do those types of things. Um, and it just makes it kind of easier and cleaner when it’s coming from us.

[00:09:56] Uh, but it’s well worth taking the extra step here, in my opinion. Um, you know, I will say that I don’t think there’s a single student on our team. Uh, that that’s paying the full amount. It’s, it’s just not, it’s not the way the school’s built. Uh, we have an unbelievable endowment that allows us to go ahead and meet that full financial need.

[00:10:15] Um, and, and so, uh, yeah, don’t, don’t get, don’t get taken back by the king of the sticker price, I guess I would say. Um, but it does, you know, it does cost to go here. I mean, uh that’s and again, that’s what we talk about. Like, uh, it’s not for everybody. Um, but if you’re willing to take the steps, if you’re a good student, uh, is a big part of it.

[00:10:39] You, you know, I’m saying that you might get all these things, but the very first thing is you, you have to be a good student who qualifies for those things who have earned those things. And then, uh, and then we can really kind of work through the process from there. okay. Well, 

[00:10:54] Matt: let’s, let’s shift gears. Talk a little, little bit more about the school.

[00:10:56] You mentioned the endowment, but you know, in terms of, uh, you know, there’s, there’s a few Trinity out there, uh, but what is it, uh, about your school that that’s, that’s kind of awesome. That sticks out that, you know, maybe I’m not gonna learn about just by clicking around the website. 

[00:11:13] Coach: Yeah. I think that’s a great one.

[00:11:17] I, I still think in, in, again, Matt, just, just full disclosure, like I’m biased. Uh, I, I went to school here. Um, I went to school here, played here now, and been coaching here. Uh, I think, I think it’s unbelievable. Uh, and what I think it has that kind of, that great mix of is we’re we’re on a campus. That’s, that’s a really unique, uh, living and learning environment.

[00:11:44] In the middle of a major city. Um, so during the week, you know, we have a three year requirement to live on campus, uh, during the week you’re you’re, you’re here, you’re a student. Um, but if you do have the weekend off, uh, we have an unbelievable city that just celebrated over 300 years of culture. Uh, and so that’s right there at your door.

[00:12:04] Um, you know, just the ease of getting in and out, uh, the desire to have people come visit you, uh, you know, it is easy to get families to come visit if, if you wanna, if you wanna go to school here. Um, so I think, I think just where we’re located, what we offer and still having, you know, access to a major city right at your doorstep is pretty unique, especially for the type of liberal liberal arts school that we are.

[00:12:31] Matt: That’s awesome. Uh, it’s it’s I mean, there’s like three cities on my list in America that I still haven’t yet visited. San Antonio is definitely one of ’em. Um, in terms of, you know, the academic side of things, how is it that, you know, your student athletes really balance their studies and sport commitments and, and what kind of support, uh, mechanisms does Trinity provide?

[00:12:55] Coach: Yeah, I mean, I think, I think it even starts with. you know, our academic council looking at missed class. Um, I’ll be honest. Uh, we, we have a, we track our five year trend of how much class we’re missing every year. Uh, the good part is, um, our scheduling allows us to get out, take big trips, travel, you know, kind of live that, live that lifestyle.

[00:13:17] But once we get into the conference, there’s a lot of things that are near and close. Um, so, so we’re able to go ahead and, you know, see different parts of the country. Uh, we went to New York last year, we’re going up to St. Louis next year. Um, so we get to do those types of things, but it’s all really coming at the expense of, I think our average is right around four to five days of missed class throughout the whole year.

[00:13:40] I was doing that for two weeks of a season at D one, you know? Right. And so mm-hmm, uh, then when you pile that on with, like we were talking about earlier, having a relationship with your professors, that they know who you are, They know that you’re here for the right reasons. Um, our team has earned the right, uh, by the amount of work and, and that they put into it and the reputation that they have of, of being like true student athletes, that they have these really great working relationships with the professors that they manage.

[00:14:11] Um, and they manage it everywhere from doing the work ahead of time to, uh, doing it on the road to, Hey, get it done when you come back. Uh, I had a unique one. I’ll be honest, my first year here of, uh, coaching in, in my 18 years of coaching now, uh, a professor gave me the test to Proctor with one of our students.

[00:14:31] Um, and, and so on the road and we had a block of time and like, okay, have the student take this test when you get back, just bring it back. I joke. Cuz I think the professor knew that I couldn’t help him with the test, even if I wanted to. Uh, I think they are probably my student records from when I was back in school and now, but I, I really believe that honestly, they knew the level of work that that student can do.

[00:14:55] And so there’s not gonna be any surprises on it. Um, and, and it was at a NCAA tournament game. Uh, cuz I mean, you figure out that, Hey, you, you have to. Who knows where within a matter of two days. And, and so, uh, just, just having those working relationships, being conscious about how much class we miss, and then it’s, it’s the focus of our students, you know, their, their desires to come here, get an amazing education and four years, if not less.

[00:15:21] Uh, so they’re putting in the work on the front end, and getting it done. I got, I gotta give them all the credit they’re way, better students than I ever was. Uh, and, and I love ’em for that. 

[00:15:33] Matt: Yeah, that’s great. Well, you know, you mentioned that, you know, your schedule allows for not a lot of missed days, so can you, can you walk me through what a, a typical week might look like, uh, for your team during the season, in terms of when’s practice, winter classes, what is, you know, what days are games usually on and when do you leave that kind of sort of thing?

[00:15:54] Coach: Yeah. So, our typical week is usually Friday, Sunday. Um, we started it and it’s kind of new and we’ve actually really enjoyed it. Uh, we actually trained Monday morning, um, early in the morning. Uh, our day off is usually Tuesday’s train again, early Wednesday morning. Uh, late Thursday evening play Friday recovery Saturday plays Sunday.

[00:16:18] Uh, so it’s just kind of rans wash, repeat, um, where we set it up and, and what’s been kind of unique. You know, those early morning training sessions have allowed us to get off first. Uh, I know you haven’t been here, Matt, but like it does it, it gets hot here. Uh, I mean, I’m not gonna deny it, uh, but that’s, I’m in Florida, so I get it.

[00:16:39] Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, getting out early in the morning is to help us avoid the heat, help us avoid some of that drain throughout the week. Um, the other part. We’re not telling a single one of our students that you can’t take this class cuz we’re training at this time. Right. So they’re able to load up, they’re able to load up and take exactly the classes they need when they need them.

[00:16:59] Um, and, and it’s allowed them to go ahead. And like I said, graduate, uh, we have a it’s. Pretty pretty astonishing. Like we have a few students who are gonna graduate in three and a half years. Um, we have students graduate in three years and it’s cuz again, they’re able to take the classes they need, uh, and, and get it done.

[00:17:18] Um, you know, they’ve also enjoyed it where, you know, they’re able to have the rest of the day, the rest of the day’s theirs. Uh, you know, so they’re, they’re walking outta here feeling good about what they’ve already done in the morning, uh, ready to tackle classes, get after it and, and still have a, a bit of a college.

[00:17:34] Past our past our soccer side. Uh don’t don’t I guess the one thing I will say within that is like, they’re here to be successful on, on the soccer field as well. Right. We don’t think that you have to sacrifice either one of them. Uh, academics means we have high expectations just as high as we do on the soccer side, and they’ve done a great job of finding ways to balance that.

[00:17:58] Matt: That’s great. Well, well, let’s talk a little bit more about the soccer side. Um, is there? Is there a roster size that you aim to hit every season? 

[00:18:08] Coach: No, I mean, we, we don’t, we don’t have a set number. Uh there’s I mean, our, our, our acceptance rate and how many people were applying to school, uh, allows us to go ahead and just really recruit the athletes that we know can help us.

[00:18:23] Um, I will say we have a certain number of lockers in our locker room, and we’re never gonna anybody share. So it’s kind of good. uh, that number is 32. It’s kind of a good way for me to say, okay, like that’s kind of the top end. Um, but even the past years, like if, if we don’t have somebody that we think can really come in and bring something different to our team, um, add to our team, we don’t have to hit that number.

[00:18:46] I think so even last year we rolled in with 28, 29, um, depending on the number of goalkeepers we carry. Uh, but I mean, we’ve gone as low as, um, I think 24, 1 year. Um, and so. We do like to have the numbers in terms of, you know, being able to do things at training in terms of 11 V 11, uh, in terms of, again, uh, looking at how do we stay as healthy as possible and, and also playing our best, uh, our best soccer at the end of, uh, October going into November.

[00:19:20] Um, so load management is a big part of it. Um, and, and we also look at those things within our team and not just having the numbers, but having. Quality across all the numbers is a big part of it, right. Not having there’s really, there’s really no drop off. Uh, when, whenever we’re picking starting lineups, it’s more based on consistency and, and who’s gonna help us be the most successful in that game that day.

[00:19:45] Matt: Okay. What about your staff? You know, what’s the size of your staff? What roles does everybody play? What kind of support staff do you have? Like maybe within the athletic 

[00:19:53] Coach: department? Yeah. I mean, we’re, we’re fortunate. Um, you know, again, uh, I have a full-time assistant, uh, our, our, uh, our relationship is a little funny in the fact that she actually played for me, um, at the division one school, uh, she holds all the scoring records at that university.

[00:20:13] Um, so we’re, we’re going on 10 years, uh, which is a little scary. The team doesn’t know how to take that. They’re like our relationship a little different. They’re like, well, you guys are just kind of the same person, which we’re not at all. But they just think we are our relationship. So having coach Spencer, uh, she, she does an amazing job.

[00:20:31] Um, like I said, she comes from the attacking side. So her focus is usually geared towards recruiting and everything. That’s just naturally where her eyes are drawn. So she takes on a lot of those responsibilities. Uh, we have part-time coaches, uh, whether it’s, you know, bringing in somebody from the outside who, who kind of gives us just a fresh look.

[00:20:50] Um, and then also we’ve been fortunate too, to hire, uh, bringing in a goalkeeper coach as well. Um, so we have access to an amazing coaching staff. And then, like you also talked about the other staff, a full time strength and conditioning coach that works with our team, uh, full time athletic trainer that travels with our team and works just with our.

[00:21:09] Um, not to mention, you know, the amazing job that our IDs do. Uh, just, just across the board, we’re, we’re fortunate. Um, I don’t know any other way to put it, uh, like I said, I’ve been at division one programs, uh, that don’t have what we have. Um, and so, but you know, like everything, uh, when you have all those things, uh, they can, they can demand and expect things from you.

[00:21:33] And so we don’t hide from that as well. Right. You know, we tell our students. You’re coming here and you’re gonna have access to all these types of things. So don’t be surprised that we’re expected to, to win and, and do the things that are, that are, that we all value as well in terms of really putting our best selves out there.

[00:21:56] Matt: Well, I think, uh,

[00:22:01] You know, I think it’s evident in the record. Uh, you know, if, if people, if you, if you don’t know about Trinity university, women’s soccer, you just look up the record. I think, uh, I’m reading your bio on the website, which I think may be a year old. Uh, have you ? 86, 9 and two over the last five seasons with an undefeated 55 and O mark in conference.

[00:22:23] So I think, uh, your girls have been up to the challenge, uh, you know, with, with great, with great, uh, uh, what is it with great power comes great responsibility as, as Spiderman says. So I think your girls are hanging onto it. Um, 

[00:22:37] Coach: yeah, and we, we, we,

[00:22:43] I think everybody knows that and has that in the back of their mind. , but that’s not even what we train for. Um, I mean, it, it really isn’t, it’s about, uh, you know, how, how do we become better that day? Um, and, and let everything else kind of take care of itself. I think it, at one point, if we got too caught up in it, uh, it can be daunting.

[00:23:00] Right. You know, the idea of, Hey, we don’t wanna be the first one to do a certain thing. Right. And, and so, and that, that goes across. I mean, you look at all of our sports here, right? We have expectations, but at the end of the day, it’s the idea. How do we keep getting better? Uh, and let everything else kind of take care of itself?

[00:23:19] Matt: Well, I, I, I won’t ask you to describe your style of coaching. Since you said already, you don’t, you don’t wanna talk about that, but instead I’ll ask you, how would you describe your team style of play and the culture of the team? 

[00:23:31] Coach: Yeah,

[00:23:36] I think, I think the style kinda. Has remained pretty constant throughout even, even the previous coaches, to be honest, uh, the style is front foot. Um, the style is, yeah, we wanna keep the ball, but it’s with the purpose of banging home goals, uh, you know, we wanna be the one that, that, you know, puts the pressure.

[00:23:58] Um, we want to, we realize that, you know, even if you look at the probability and the statistics, you know, you need so many chances in the game to guarantee a. Uh, and so the only way we can almost kind of tell ourselves that we’re guaranteed to score is by creating so many chances. Right. And, and so we have to put ourselves in those positions and do those types of things.

[00:24:19] Um, and, and the reason I think that styles kind of remain the same is, you know, when we, when we. Have even alumni games and they come back and, you know, we have an alumni game that’s won one, uh, after 90 minutes of play, which should never happen. You know, honestly it should be an absolute scoring Fest, but the fact that, you know, even those players who are returning back, you know, play the same way, play the same style and have the same mentality without even, you know, being around each other or even playing with each other ever.

[00:24:49] Uh, and then see it kind of match up. Even in those moments, you could tell that like, that’s been pretty constant throughout. The years here. Um, yeah, so I think, I think front foot, um, you know, just really defensive, like conscious about, you know, winning the ball back all over the field. Um, you know, I think, I think is a big part and, and just being organized and prodding ourselves and, you know, having the shutouts, but scoring goals is, is a big part.

[00:25:19] Matt: Well, coach, I appreciate all your time. You’ve given us a lot of good info and I always like to end these, uh, the same way. And that’s what didn’t we cover? What, what didn’t we get to talk about? Whether it’s about the school, about the team, about your recruiting, uh, anything you want to tell potential recruits about the process you name it.

[00:25:36] This is your chance to kind of wrap it up on any note you want. 

[00:25:40] Coach: Yeah, I mean, I, I think, I think.

[00:25:45] Probably the one thing that maybe we don’t do a good enough job is just bragging about the types of students that we have. Um, and what I mean by that is, you know, they share, they share a sense of values that, not only do I believe in that they each believe in and they live up to ‘me each and every day.

[00:26:07] And, you know, I’m, I’m just surrounded. And, and I think that’s why I’m still excited after 20 years of coaching. Uh, I’m just surrounded by amazing people who are really just finding their way and. Doing amazing things, uh, before they even realize it. Um, and, and so I, again, I just had an opportunity for me to thank them, uh, thank them for who they are and, and what they mean to me, my family and, and everything that they’ve given us.

[00:26:36] Um, cuz the reality is without them we’re, we’re not much. Uh, and so, you know, if you wanna be a part of something, what I think is special, um, you know, if you wanna be a part. You know, uh, being held accountable and in a great setting, um, reach out. I mean, we were here. Uh, you’re gonna be surrounded by some pretty, pretty awesome teammates.

[00:27:01] Uh, and, and they’ve worked hard at being great teammates, just like they’ve worked hard at being great soccer players. So, uh, I just wanna thank them. 

[00:27:10] Matt: awesome. Well, coach, I appreciate it. We wish you the best of luck this season. Hopefully you can, uh, bring home the NA this year and, and keep that success you guys have had.

[00:27:19] And, and we wish you nothing but the best. 

[00:27:21] Coach: I think. Thank you for all your time, Matt. I appreciate it. Uh, I really value what you’re doing, you know, giving people a platform to kind of look at, uh, I know you and I went up. Grew up in the same era where, you know, we had to look in one book, uh, to see if they even had programs.

[00:27:35] So that’s great. It could be over overwhelming the information that’s out there. So to have a good clean way to present it. I think this is awesome. What you’re doing, Matt. 

[00:27:44] Matt: Awesome. I appreciate it. Thanks again, Dylan.

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