Millikin University Men’s Soccer – Coach Paul Anderson
On today’s episode, I speak with Coach Paul Anderson from the Millikin University Men’s Program in Illinois. We talk about how he finds recruits from both in-bound contacts as well as watching games. He describes how their school has a special academic program that emphasizes work experience. Lastly, we discuss how they look to play the best soccer they can with the players they have. Learn more about Millikin Men’s Soccer.
[00:00:00] Matt: Hello, everyone. Welcome to discover college soccer. I’m lucky enough today to be joined by coach Paul Anderson of the Millikin University men’s soccer team coach. Well. Thank you. So you guys are division three program. They’re kind of smack dab in the middle of Illinois. Um, so when it comes to recruiting, you know, when are you really starting to focus on talking to players?
[00:00:24] You know, what are you hearing from players? Kind of what year in high school are they one, a majority of your recruiting gets, gets rocking and rolling.
[00:00:31] Coach: I’d probably say a majority. Seniors, juniors and hope. What I mean by that is obviously that there’s kind of sarcoma. Um, we’ll hear a lot from juniors, rising seniors.
[00:00:44] Um, depends on, it depends on them really, um, of how quick and how fast they are within the process of. Uh, being recruited to play in college, but usually that junior, senior timeline is when it happens. So like right now in a lot of contact with 23s. Okay. Yeah.
[00:01:07] Matt: That makes sense. We’re a. Talking here April, April of 22.
[00:01:11] So those those juniors getting ready to be seniors, uh, and this, you know, it’s the hot, the hot time right now of, of tournaments and things like that. So speaking of tournaments, are there ones that you make sure that you visit each year to, to recruit at?
[00:01:26] Coach: So obviously with. And the middle of Illinois, um, we try and really go for the, of the regional ID comes and ensure cases, or we’ve been to Gallagher in the crossroads.
[00:01:38] Uh, we’ve been to, um, blue-chip in the past. We’re actually knock on this weekend. Uh, been up to. Chicago for the SAKOs, um, spring chill cares. So that’s kind of what our main focus is. We’ve also been out to nationally CNL events, um, depending on how much contact with. Players on those teams for us to go out and see them play.
[00:02:04] And obviously it usually for the national events, that is ones where we’ve been had interest from plants from around the country. So we, the last national league of Miami went to, uh, we’d had contact with somebody from Oregon and that’s one of the main reasons we went. We went there to watch them play.
[00:02:22] So
[00:02:22] Matt: when you’re, when you’re at an event like that, how much of it is you? Specifically going to see somebody versus scouting some games and hoping to find somebody.
[00:02:35] Coach: Oh, I, I, I, I usually say it’s 50 50. Obviously we have a list of names. That have contacted us. And then there’s other games where for, and teams that we know of or heard of or whatever.
[00:02:51] And we’ll go, okay, I know that’s a good team. I’ve talked to another coach and they’ve said, this is a good team. So we go watch that team. So I’d say it’s probably 50, 50. We go watch the games where players have contacted us and we’d go watch them play. And then on the flip side, So if you have, you know, four or five, six games and it’s time slot, we’ll try to get to two or three.
[00:03:11] And one might be one is usually somebody contacted us from that team or from teams. And then the other one would be, as I describe it, I go fishing and we’ll see what the team is. Like. I got to say, I know this is a good team. I want to go watch them, play it. And hopefully we’ll get some bites from watching them play.
[00:03:29] Even if nobody’s contacted us from.
[00:03:31] Matt: Okay. Makes sense. What about, uh, camps, how to do, do you or your staff work camps? Do you host ID camps? How important are camps into your overall recruiting mix?
[00:03:43] Coach: So th th they’re important it’s, especially for us at division three. Um, we try to get to division one camps.
[00:03:51] Um, they get usually. Uh, higher quality of player. And I should probably do that. Um, you get as well, who are interested in going division one, and then they attend a few and get to all the schools known at this school, this school. So for us to be able to kind of get those kids who are thinking they want to go D1 and who aren’t getting the looks, it helps.
[00:04:14] Um, and then for us personally, we host ID comes, um, this summer we’ve got one on July 9th for. Because if you’re going to go out and attend the school for four years, go see. Um, you know, it’s easy for me to sit in this office and talk about it and see it, our school does this and our campus is like this and then in fact, oh, wait a second.
[00:04:41] When you’re actually here and, you know, does it pass the site test? And the smell test is the best way I can describe it. Um, do the cautious belts, uh, pass the smell test and the side test. So getting to know us, uh, a little bit better. Comes on not games, but you get an idea of what we’re like as coaches, how we interact with the players and what we are, coaching, how we are coaching it.
[00:05:07] And everybody’s a little bit different. And still, that’s kind of what I think, as far as our ID camp, I think it’s important one to us to see players of course, and on our campus. But two, I think it’s important for the, those students to come and see campus and think is this somewhere I can spend four years.
[00:05:25] No,
[00:05:25] Matt: that’s a great point. Um, so whether you’re at camps or at, at games and you’re scouting players, you know, what’s your, your hierarchy of things that you’re looking for. What’s that checklist, whether it’s something that’s on the field or off the field, that that really is what you’re looking at when you’re recruiting.
[00:05:44] Coach: So it’s an, I always tried to say, and people say it’s a hierarchy. And I always say it’s kind of a it’s linear. Um, because everybody’s going to be a little bit different, but obviously you need to be a controllable possible. You need to be physically competitive. You need to have sure. Some tactical understanding.
[00:06:06] And then also, and again, it comes down to this. When you tell plastic, go watch. If you’re a club or a high school plat go watch college. And we tell our college class to go watch the professionals. Like how do they respond? It’s, it’s a, it’s a bad way of putting it. And I noticed, I need to find a better way of putting it, but it comes down to a game of mistakes.
[00:06:29] There are 200 transitions. How does that reply respond to a mistake? You know, that’s why highlight tapes are great, but we want to see your life because you can edit out everything that I didn’t, I didn’t respond well to that moment. So, you know, yeah. Players, these days are usually good on the board technically.
[00:06:48] Um, again, con not, not being American, um, Americans focus a lot on the physical side and they’ve produced tremendous athletes, sort of physically there are developed and then. Tactically. Um, as we are seeing the growth of the game in America, like people are getting more tactical, but that last one, the mental side.
[00:07:08] How do you respond to a mistake? How would you respond to your mistake? How do you respond to a teammate making a mistake? I’m sure we all see that we all sit. I, Chris you’re in Alabama is one of the best person to ever play the game. But when he doesn’t get the ball and he’s in the box, the hands come up.
[00:07:23] So how, how do you respond to your mistake? How do you respond to the teammates mistake? Um, how do you respond to being substituted? Uh, cause you know, I tell people all the time, when you make 11 people happy at one time and every time I make a substitution to changes. So, you know, how is that person responding to their coach in that way?
[00:07:43] So like I said, if, if, if I think everything’s okay, You know, people are different points, but I try to see what I can see in a video. I can generally see technical, technical things in a video or physical thing in the video. I can see the psychological side. So when I’m seeing new life now, that’s certainly a big thing too, for me to look at.
[00:08:06] Responsible are you? I use the term emotionally mature because that’s a lot of times that’s what it comes down to. And I know we’re coaches. Sometimes we don’t have that high emotional maturity on sidelines either. So it is good to be able to see. Plants respond to those issues in those moments?
[00:08:26] Matt: No. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:08:28] You just said something about, you know, the, the Americans, uh, you know, producing the more physically, uh, gifted athletes is, tends to be the focus, you know, at the division three level. You don’t generally see a lot of heavy, uh, international influence on a roster. Just be usually because of financial implications, but your roster actually has a, a good bit of international flavor to it.
[00:08:50] So, so how does the international recruiting kind of fit into your overall, uh, roster
[00:08:55] Coach: planning? So we do a little bit of it. Um, It’s obviously actually with COVID and everything that happened with traveling and being able to get around. Um, we actually ended up with more, uh, the last couple years just based on that, because we weren’t able to travel and they obviously had a lot more, a lot more video for us to be able to, to see.
[00:09:17] Um, so that’s kind of how it happened. It helps us, um, because I think. Having diversity on your roster is important. Having people from who have had different experiences helps, like we, we are able, even though we keep saying it’s a big world and it feels like it’s getting smaller with technology and with the ability to travel and things like that.
[00:09:40] It is, but I think it’s one of those way. I like to be able to say, yeah, we’ve got plans from here and there and how and what, and what, and how, and obviously for me as a coach, I like it too, because people will come up with a different art. Well, my club, we did this on my high school. We did this and they were like, oh, I didn’t really think about all that before.
[00:10:01] So they’re able to give you just a little bit more of. Oh, can we try something different? Can we play a different style? And it kinda, I like it. Um, as far as that is concerned and being able to give people different experiences, um, and especially for the, the student athletes, because there, we actually had one, one gore to spin with one of our, uh, Spanish players and spend Christmas over there.
[00:10:27] So, you know, you’re getting these different experiences and that you would not, you would not have gotten if you had not came to Millikin and not had a team before.
[00:10:35] Matt: No. That’s great. Well, you know, again, we talk about kind of the financial side of things being division three, no athletic scholarships. How, how does Millikin handle kind of the actual.
[00:10:49] Scholarships grants need-based. How does that, what, what’s kind of the, what is it, if I’m an incoming player? What am I looking at? Uh, from, from the financial side of things, uh, at
[00:10:59] Coach: Millikin. So we have, uh, obviously comes down to academics. We have three tiers. Um, um, I don’t tell you what it is because it could change.
[00:11:12] So you get three, you get your three tiers and you get X amount of money. If you are in the three tiers, obviously for Illinois students, you are getting. We’ll do the FASFA and your AFC and what it comes to. And depending on what the government aid we will get. So that’s kind of how they do it, um, by giving people as much opportunity to be able to attend at a reasonable price at Millikin.
[00:11:39] So it’s based on your academics money, uh, academic ability, and then it’s based on. If you are able to get money, if Millikin is able to get money from the government for whatever pal ma et cetera.
[00:11:53] Matt: Okay. Well, let’s talk more about, about the school. So folks may not be familiar with, with Millikin. So besides clicking around the website, you know, give me the inside scoop.
[00:12:03] What’s some of the awesome things about, about Millikin.
[00:12:06] Coach: So I always described this. Um, again, I think it’s just from my personal experience, why I view it as a positive. Some people might view it as a negative. When I, when I went to university, we w you know, we did a semester. You have midterms, you have exams because.
[00:12:24] Same thing over the summer, you might have a job. You might not, you might do an internship and things like that. So the one thing that Millikin offers is called performance based learning. So I use my, you have two students who are graduating this year and they are both in the Canton, uh, obviously with the 20, 20 season.
[00:12:43] Pushed back to the spring of 21. There were actually doing internships, uh, June, cause they want to be an accountant. So you get to do an internship then because some tax day. So one of them in particular was he was studying, he was going to class doing home. And then he was doing his internship and then he was coming to practice and he was playing and we taught, he actually not missing a game.
[00:13:06] There was, you know, we thought he made just because of the time, but he actually was able to plan all the games. So you get graded on your internship. So you. Get real-world experience. You get, hopefully you got a job off at the end of it. And I know people will say, oh, well, we do that over the summer, but we don’t get graded on those over the summer.
[00:13:25] This is part of Millikin’s performance based learning. You are getting grid. Did you turn up on time? Were you professional obviously for teachers and things like that? That is something that happens a lot where you have to take. And you have to do your internship or your, um, student teaching to graduate.
[00:13:44] Well, every job, every job that you want that, and we have a major for that’s part of it. It’s built into the syllabus. So you are going to have to go and ensure you are in a job situation in a real real world situation. I say my job is not a real world job. I get to coach and watch soccer all day. So, but if you’re getting a real job, You’re getting graded on that thought side of things.
[00:14:09] So you are able to know, am I doing well? Am I prepared to start a job and to do a job when I graduated?
[00:14:18] Matt: Oh, that’s awesome. Well, I mean, you, you gave a great example of a player, you know, balancing their, their academics and athletics, but. In a strange situation, right. With, with COVID and everything, but let’s say in a, in a typical year, right.
[00:14:32] This upcoming season, hopefully knock on wood. Um, you know, how do students specifically at Millikin balance their academics and their athletics, what kind of support systems are there, uh, at your school? To help folks get through, uh, what can be a rough time for, especially for new
[00:14:50] Coach: new students. So, so for every student, but obviously in petunia for the first year, students that come in, we have the center for athletic, athletic academic performance.
[00:15:02] Um, and they have a math center and an English center, obviously in particular, they have just for those, just for those two. One of the, you know, everybody’s going to have to take at some point, those two, uh, areas, subjects. So those two are in particular, we have a math and an English center. And then obviously we have through, um, through cop, which is the, which is their shortened version of a short name.
[00:15:30] We also then have to, does we obviously. Some should not be such who does within the, we have a academic advisor. Everybody has an academic advisor. The program has an academic advisor that you can also use to get in. If this, if there’s something you want to be able to talk about, and maybe you have a problem with you, professor, you have a problem with your advisor.
[00:15:51] Then you have a separate entity again, to be able to talk to someone about it. So you have. Cop who can help you then you have does if you need them. And then you have your own personal advisor who gets assigned to you based on your major. And then obviously you have the saga academic advisor, if you need more help and in a way, okay.
[00:16:13] Matt: You know, if we were in season, what would a typical week in the life of a student athlete on the soccer team look like? In terms of what time are they waking up? When’s practice? What, what are game travel situations? Like what what’s a typical week look like?
[00:16:28] Coach: So we’ll start with us on the, as soon as you think it makes it easy.
[00:16:31] So Monday we practice a lot earlier we go forward till six that’s football is off and the women go in the morning. So we share the field with football and women’s soccer. So we’re able to go four till six. Tuesday Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, six to eight as our practice time PM or
[00:16:48] Matt: PM or 8:00 PM. Okay.
[00:16:51] Coach: Have we tried any M and not did not go down? Well, guys prefer, prefer the labor practices. I prefer the earlier ones. They presented the ones. So, um, obviously. On a Wednesday, traditionally we have games. So we ended up playing Wednesday, Saturdays just to try and keep at least two days in between games and try to get some rest and recovery in there.
[00:17:12] So if we play on a Wednesday, again, it depends where we’re playing. Uh, I’ve tried as much as possible to keep Wednesday games a little bit cooler. Uh, so we don’t have to leave next year. I did not do a good job on that one. We actually have a game against Calvin and on a Wednesday. So, uh, spoke five hours to grand rapids.
[00:17:32] So we’ll have a long trip on that one. Um, but there’s, we try to as much as possible. Multiple offers Wednesday games. Um, we, you know, if you, if we do play a team that’s a little further away, I prefer to be in the Eastern time zone so weekend, and now we’re coming back. So, um, hopefully we get back in a more reasonable hour and then obviously Thursday, Friday, our practices, or there will be.
[00:17:58] Again, it just depends. I try to keep trips within four hours. Uh, so we had, we were on the road, but hopefully we don’t kill so much time on the buses. Uh, We covered a little bit more time away from it. So as far as what time they get up in the morning, it depends on their major. Um, obviously it depends on what they’re studying.
[00:18:22] A lot of the guys try as much as possible to get their classes between nine and three. Well, actually, they will tell me it’s 10 and three, but it’s not most cost, but they try as much as possible. It’s trying to get in a timeframe, um, for some of the sciences. So whether it’s physics, chemistry, biology, whichever some of their, um, labs are in the evening.
[00:18:48] So we’ve had guys who have had to leave early all the arrive a little late to practice, but it’s, it’s, it’s frustrating obviously for them, for. But here to get an education first, or there’s no punishment or anything put in place because you are missing for your, for a class or a lab. Um, so we tried as much as possible to limit, limit that, but they pretty much go to class until generally four or five o’clock.
[00:19:16] Um, and then come to practice. So. I’m sure that’s the same for most coaches will tell you it’s you get up, you go to class, depending on when practices you study, you go to practice, you study, you go to sleep and you rinse and repeat for about 11 weeks.
[00:19:34] Matt: Yep. Absolutely. Well, let’s, let’s talk a little bit more about the soccer side of things then.
[00:19:40] So you know, how many players, uh, would you carry on your ideal?
[00:19:47] Coach: Well, my ideal roster will be about 25, 26. Okay. That is not the case with us. Okay.
[00:19:55] Matt: What is the case with you with your rosters? Often?
[00:19:59] Coach: I like to be honest, every, like, I bring it up for this reason and because I’d be honest with people whenever I recruit anybody.
[00:20:06] So the university expects us to have a roster of 40. So we do end up in the, in this, in the fall of having two teams, we’ll have a 15 minute, second team. I’ve had a discussion with blades before and they get upset with it, but I’m like if I have 40 guys at practice, it’s calm. It’s not practice. So we’ll generally split them up into two teams and we organize games for the reserves.
[00:20:25] So they even, nobody wants to be on the reserve team. Nobody wants to be the reserve practice. Nobody wants to be in the reserve camp, but I say there’s an opportunity for you to play on your plugins college players and you get a chance to show. That were wrong. I always tell people we’re not perfect. We get some things wrong.
[00:20:42] Um, so prove us wrong. You got an opportunity in practice. You got no cheating games to show us what you can do. Um, we’ve had players who’ve started on the reserves and made their way in play significant minutes by the end of the season with the Boston team, with the first team.
[00:20:57] Matt: Okay. Um, what about your staff?
[00:21:00] How big is your soccer staff? What role does everybody.
[00:21:03] Coach: So we have three members of staff, myself. I have a full-time assistant and I have a grad assistant. Um, again, there was talking about time and told him about players. I am not gonna lie. I, I might reserve, I have no reserve team practices. I maybe at the start, I mean, watch kind of get an idea and I want to go home and I wanna see my wife and kids games.
[00:21:25] I will watch reserve games. Uh, and again, well, I watch it all. Uh, but I will watch it. I will get, I will watch it. And so I make sure I get to see everybody on the field. Um, my two assistants, they handle the reserve reserve practices and museum games. So not only when we talk about student athletes and.
[00:21:46] And I’ve talked about performance. One of the things I like about Millikin is performance based learning in the classroom and getting a job. My job also, as a head coach is to help my assistants and having a reserve team. They get to run it. They get to make the choices on who goes on the field, who starts subs.
[00:22:02] They make they get to run practices. So they, it’s not just about me standing over everything and being like, this is how we do. And you need an opportunity to also learn and to grow. And again, it sounds egotistical, but I’ve been doing this for close to 20 years now. I got it. I know what I’m doing. I know my stuff.
[00:22:22] So me giving another session, this is not going to affect me. And I don’t think in any way, but it will. Hopefully my goal is. I sit and my two assistants get better and, and have an experience where they can then take it on to their next job and see, what did you do? All we did this. We did not. We did this.
[00:22:42] Okay.
[00:22:43] Matt: So how would you describe your, your style of coaching and kind of the, the team’s overall style of play?
[00:22:49] Coach: Um, so my style of coaching and I I’ve, I’ve tried to talk around it and I’m like, oh, my stylist caution is confrontational. I don’t know. There’s no other way. There’s no better descriptor for it.
[00:23:01] Like, I want you to be better. I, I, I watch you play it. And yesterday. Uh, you can do this better. Let’s do this better. Let’s do like I I’m, I’m a fairly straightforward guy and if I have an opinion and I have a, again, it’s a little, and I tell people all the time, it’s different. You know, I, I have, I’m a headquarter.
[00:23:21] I, there’s a certain level of expectations, a certain level of privilege that I have in my spot. And I know about, and me criticizing the player. Everybody just accepts it as part of the court. And play at being able to criticize a coach. Someplace on our comfortable doing that because I don’t, I don’t know.
[00:23:43] There’s a ton of coaches who are very appreciative of players coming out and criticize. But if I ask a question, I want an answer. And that’s what I mean by I’m confrontational. I’d want to go, or how can I say this and how. I’m seeing what I’m seeing, because I want you to get better. I’m seeing what I’m S so like I said, I don’t want any other way to put it other than I am confrontational with my coaching.
[00:24:06] That is, I want you to get better instead of me trying to work around it. I just say what I think. Um, and I want my plastic wheel to be confident enough to come back with that. As far as clean style is concerned, I always describe it as we try to play the best. The better players. We have the better, it looks.
[00:24:27] There’s a reason why mine sitting Liverpool play the way they play. I see your background. There’s a reason buying play the way they play. Um, there’s a reason why Boston and I have seen you got significantly better because of the Plaza new signed. Um, it’s not. It’s not difficult to work out. Um, so we want to win the ball, hide the field.
[00:24:51] We’ve, you know, you read any stats within the ball and the opponents staff from the field, three pastors on that last, when most schools are scored. So you have to be able to step up the field and when the ball hit the field and create chances that way. But seeing all of that, I call the ball, the toy. I want the toy.
[00:25:09] I want to play with the toy. I don’t want, I don’t know. The other team Hubbard as much as we do. So I still expect my teams to be able to play. I still expect them to be able to play through the thirds. If a team is pressing you, you also need to understand that if the space that they are giving you. 50 yards of space in behind them.
[00:25:28] I could pass this to play the ball industry-based running behind them. That’s where the space is. That’s the space they’re giving you. Um, I pick on Liverpool all the time. We have a pool of we’ll probably we’ll get around 90 points again this year, the two years. In the last four, they haven’t gotten any points it’s because one fun day didn’t play.
[00:25:44] I wasn’t signed at that point. And then he tore his ACL. Like they have players that are enable them to play that Highline and virtual fund day helps and per the highlights. That’s a, so they’re giving you a lot of teams when they play against other pools to play in the space behind if teams normally want to play and we’re playing and we’re trying to play it through them and they’re playing their press, their Bible.
[00:26:06] You played with the top. Now people will say, it’s not good to talk. Right. And I’ll tell you, it is, it’s where the space is. So that’s why, when people ask me, how do we play? We play the best we can with the plants that we have, and everybody wants to play like also blown up once you live up rule buying Munich, because they’re the most successful teams, but.
[00:26:29] There are clouds allowed them to play the way they want to play. Um, and that’s my goal of putting players in a position to be as successful as possible in the best.
[00:26:40] Matt: No, it makes a lot of sense. Um, well, we’re, we’re talking here in April, you know, what does your, your off season program typically look like?
[00:26:48] Coach: So I’m actually talking to, uh, um, one of our trainers. Uh, he works with the teams as far as design and off-season workouts and what we want, um, For me, soccer is a multi sport, multi sprint activity. So obviously making sure that guys are able to sprint, um, so generating power, um, that is an aspect of it.
[00:27:13] And then obviously the flip side of that is being able to change direction. Making sure that you have good agility. And then I think the biggest thing is we all get older. I will freely admit this, that you also need flexibility. And
[00:27:33] I make jokes about all the time. I can not touch my toes and I don’t not be, not touch my toes for 30 years and it’s not even close anymore. It’s not. You want to be with generative power cause you won’t be able to get, you want to be able to run faster. You have to be able to change direction. You have to have that agility.
[00:27:49] And then obviously the flexibility. Um, so kind of getting all those things in and then obviously we also have touches on the ball, making sure players again, touches on the ball. I know. Depending on which school of caution you come from. And again, social media will show you that there’s the people who tell you that you should never do nothing without Portland, since people could tell you that, oh, well, we can do individual learning on your own.
[00:28:17] I’m still a big believer, like for skill, you can get as many touches. I understand there’s not players in your weird book, touching the ball, whether it’s, you know, I think if I play has to be small, we’ve had people do COVID things of that nature. I actually asked, uh, this was at WashU. We asked the plastic count.
[00:28:36] How many times they touched the ball and then a 45, 30 minutes, 45 minutes. It was between 1,015 hundred times. They touched the ball. It’s still a great believer. In the more times you touch the ball about you touching the ball. So even if it is on a pause, you are still getting touches. So making sure that players are getting more comfortable on the ball, more confident on the ball.
[00:28:58] That is for me, that’s important as well. So. Agility, flexibility and touches. I
[00:29:06] Matt: like it. All right. Well, we’ve covered a lot of ground here. I’ll leave you with one final question and that’s just, you know, what, what didn’t we cover? What else do you want to tell us about, about Milligan or, or anything else to, uh, to wrap us up?
[00:29:18] Coach: So for, for Millikin, I think it is a great place to be. It is so it’s in Decatur, Illinois, and it is. I, I believe it’s still is the soil, the soybean couple of the world, what it produces. That’s um, we have a large company in Decatur AGM, and it is a place. On top potential because you have this on your doorstep kind of pull out is between ourselves and Bloomington.
[00:29:46] Um, so you have these big national international corporations that are, you’re able to come in. You’re able to learn, obviously that’s more the business side, but you are able to come and you’re able to get, oh yes, we are a small town about 75,000 population people, but you are still. In a town that has two major multinational corporations, that if that’s you want to go to the business side, you can learn from that.
[00:30:13] And then on the flip side of that is we have produced an incredible amount of people who go on and do go to grad school. So our pre professional it’s obviously medicine is not just for doctors and nurses, which we have great, uh, a great system in place for that. And have you got occupational therapy, physical therapy, athletic training.
[00:30:36] So all of these things come in where you can, you’re able to get a job, our goal, and get into higher education again, if that’s what needs to happen to, to further your career. Awesome.
[00:30:49] Matt: Well, coach, I appreciate the time. Thanks for letting us in a behind the curtain there. Learn more about Milliken and we wish you the best of luck in the fall season.
[00:30:57] Thank you. Thanks.
