Graceland University Women’s Soccer – Coach Ozzie White

On today’s episode, I speak with Coach Ozzie White from the Graceland University Women’s Program in Iowa. We talk about how on the field skills come second to overall character when looking at recruits. He tells us about how their small-town feel creates a special sense of community. Lastly, we discuss their versatile style of play and how they adapt game by game and year by year. Learn more about Graceland University.

[00:00:00] Matt: Hi, everybody. Welcome to discover college soccer. I am happy to be joined today by coach Darren “Ozzie” White of Graceland university. A welcome.

[00:00:11] Coach: Thank you. Great to be here, Matt.

[00:00:14] Matt: Great. Um, well, let’s jump right in and talk a little bit about how you do your recruiting and that kind of thing. You know, when do you usually start hearing from players?

[00:00:23] Uh, when do you start seeing players? What year in high school are they.

[00:00:28] Coach: It depends. Um, currently on our list, of course we are chasing 2022 Players. Um, but we are looking at 23s, 24s, 25s. I think the, the beauty of the longevity of recruitment is relationships. And if we can get in early with a student athlete, uh, it means that we have multiple points of contact.

[00:00:53] It means that we can watch them a number of times. Uh, it means that we can develop a friendship, um, which means trust. And that’s really important in the recruiting process. I love to meet the family. I love to get to know mum and dad, siblings. Um, you know, the dog, even though I like to like to know. About the person first, the students second and the football third.

[00:01:19] So, um, if we, if we get some longevity to the recruitment process, that’s, that’s great for us. Um, if we’ve also signed players where we’ve known for about three weeks, so it it’s all over the place. And I think they typically the NAIA we have to wait until the D1 Programs boost the bubble or blow up the dreams.

[00:01:44] And then we step in and say, Hey, we’re a great alternative.

[00:01:48] Matt: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Well, how many, how many inbound contacts do you think you get in an average week?

[00:01:55] Coach: Well, I get about 120 emails a day. So, um, an awful lot of international, um, we are, our roster is very diverse. We represent about 12 different countries, 11 different us states.

[00:02:11] So we are recruiting from all over the world. Um, so when I talk about relationships and trying to get to know families and things, we’re also doing that not only in person, but we’re doing that via WhatsApp and zoom and video calls. Uh, so there’s an awful lot. I think that goes into our recruiter.

[00:02:28] Because we really want the right characteristics. Um, we, we want the right characteristics, um, not characters if you understand the subtle difference.

[00:02:40] Matt: Sure, sure. Well, let’s talk a little bit about that then if both on and off the field things, I mean, you, you mentioned your hierarchy there, of, of the football.

[00:02:50] There was really third. Um, but, but. More specifically in terms of attributes, both on and off the field, what kind of makes up an ideal player in your mind?

[00:03:02] Coach: So we currently have 46 players rostered. Our full average GPA was 3.47. So we take the academics seriously. Um, you know, the acronym student athlete is, is student first.

[00:03:17] Uh, so we’re serious about our academics. We, we need people who have good GPA’s and are internally motivated. You know, I, I’m not a babysitter. I don’t want to knock on your dorm room door at 8:00 AM and say, get out of bed, make your bed, go to class, have breakfast. I need people who can do those things.

[00:03:35] Want to do those things are motivated and passionate about those things. And I find that when people. Generally succeed academically, then they’ve got their life in order in terms of their discipline in terms of their habits. Um, we, we don’t want party people. We don’t want drama Queens. Um, so we, we want people who are reasonable, um, and have the potential.

[00:04:02] To go on and be the greatest adult that they can be. You know, we can all play football for a short period of time, but we have to be a great person for the rest of their life. So they’re the kinds of people that we’re looking for in terms of, uh, we want people who want to be successful, um, that, you know, we’ll help them map out what the future looks like, but we want them to understand that they do have a future and it’s up to them to, to take a grip and really, um, be in control.

[00:04:32] Of what they do in terms of their habits

[00:04:35] Matt: makes sense. Well, you know, if, if a recruit, you know, finds out about your school and reaches out, what are some of the things you’d like to see in that, that first communication from a, from a prospect,

[00:04:48] Coach: um, first of all, are they, can they have a conversation? Um, you know, there are too many kids these days who every second word is like, I like, uh, I like, um, uh, like, uh, you know, I see you’ve met my daughter.

[00:05:08] Yes. So I, you know, I need to be able to have a conversation. Um, I need that person to be engaged. If it’s personal, um, you know, let’s have some eye contact and that, and I think really importantly, when I get communication and it, and it says, um, coach Ozzie, uh, I enjoyed watching a couple of your games last season on livestream.

[00:05:33] Hey, you know, go yellow jackets versus Hey coach Smith. Um, my name is, and how much scholarship can you give me? So, you know, I get those a lot. I got one this week and I was called coach Dodson. I don’t even know where that came from.

[00:05:51] Matt: It’s a bad mail merge. Have an Atlanta. Yes.

[00:05:54] Coach: Yes. Copy and paste and work on that one.

[00:05:59] Matt: Makes perfect sense. Well, what about, uh, communication with club coaches? Do you, do you check in with them on recruits? Do you hear from club coaches pitching new players?

[00:06:12] Coach: Yeah, periodically. Um, you know, my life prior to being a college coach at Graceland was director of coaching at sporting Iowa and various other, um, Midwest clubs.

[00:06:23] So I’ve got a good network of friends and colleagues across the country, across the world. And yet a number of people do reach out and I reach out to them. So, um, it’s great having a network of coaches and for. Where you can just check in with somebody, because I think it’s not necessarily going to base my decision on a recommendation from a coach, but at the same time, it really helps.

[00:06:53] Matt: Yeah, for sure. Well, in terms of, of getting out and about recruiting, you know, what are some of the key tournaments that, that you like to attend? Do you go to local high school games? Is there something that’s more, you know, your focus when it comes to going and watching players?

[00:07:12] Coach: Yeah, I think I’m across the board.

[00:07:13] Um, because we have such a diverse roster. Um, I’m all over the place. Um, but I, but I really want. Some ingredients from the Midwest. I really want some Iowa players are really wants Kansas city players. I think it’s, it’s important to have those local roots. So, um, I I’m attending a lot of the Kansas city in the morning events.

[00:07:38] Um, but I’m also attending some of the bigger ones in Las Vegas, in Phoenix, in California. Um, and w you know, when, when normal travel is. I’m also attending some events in, in Europe as well.

[00:07:55] Matt: Okay. Well, I know you mentioned you have, you know, a good bit of international flavor on your roster. You know, what, what about, um, transfers, uh, junior college players walk ons.

[00:08:11] How do they kind of fit into the mix of, of your recruiting?

[00:08:15] Coach: Um, so Graceland is a. Live on campus university it’s so dealing with transfers is, is sometimes a little bit more difficult because I starting point is $10,000 that’s room and board. And there’s two reasons. People go to Juco really, in my opinion, one is grades and one is money and only one of those can change.

[00:08:43] So when it comes to, uh, seeking transfers and you tell them that the starting point is $10,000, that’s more than they’re paying to go to Juco in a lot of cases. So that becomes a harder sell. Um, we do have a limited number of exemptions for transfers. So I have found that our transfer market has really dried up because of our housing policies.

[00:09:05] Like. I fought those, but I can’t change them. It’s, it’s a frustration for me because I would love to bring in some 21 year olds to help with our kids coming out of high school. Uh, it would make us a more mature team, but, um, you know, his, my sole criticism of my institution is our housing policy is when it comes to transfers is not conducive.

[00:09:29] To us being in the transfer market, uh, in terms of walk-ons, uh, we don’t necessarily get a lot of walk-ons. Um, I don’t know if that’s down to the size of our school or location, but, but typically if there’s an interest, then, um, we follow up with those interests, uh, our admission. Department has a, like a tiered process where they would tear it, tear a student one, two or three in terms of level of interest from the coach.

[00:09:59] And I continually continually tell them if you got an inquiry, then you cheer everybody. Number one. Because I’m going to reach out to that person and build a relationship there. There’s no such thing for me as a tier three, where I’m just letting somebody else or an admissions counselor deal with that student athlete.

[00:10:16] So for us, for me, our program, everybody who shows an interest in us, it’s a tier one recruit, and I will spend considerable amount of personal time with them. Well,

[00:10:29] Matt: that’s great. You mentioned the kind of that 10 K threshold, you know, as a starting point. So you’re in AIA, you do have some athletic money to, to be able to give out.

[00:10:40] You’ve got a 46, you said, you know, kind of on your roster between, uh, Uh, first team and a reserve team. Right? So how does the academic money and athletic money kind of all fit together? What’s a kind of a student, an average player going to be looking at, coming in the door

[00:11:02] Coach: so we can stack, um, scholarships.

[00:11:05] Um, and I think our academic scholarships are generous, uh, for a good student. You know, we’re talking, first of all, tuition is about 32. So when you look at the room and board, it’s about 42 all in a little bit more for an international because of the insurance. Um, so for a good student, the kind of students that we’re looking at with somewhere between 12 and a half and 16 and a half academically, uh, and then we can put some money on top of that.

[00:11:35] So, uh, for, for, uh, for a good player, um, we’re talking about 15 69, 50. Um, for, uh, for a reserve player, we may be talking 1820 out of pocket.

[00:11:50] Sure.

[00:11:51] Matt: Yeah, no, that, that makes, makes perfect sense. Well, let’s, let’s talk more about your school. You mean, you talked about the on-campus living part, but you know, I can go online. I can click around the website and learn all about Graceland, but, but what are some of the things that, that you think are, you know, just, just awesome kind of set your school apart that I’m not going to find on the website.

[00:12:12] Coach: Uh, first of all, we’re an hour south of Des Moines hour and a half north of Kansas city. Um, small rural, safe community. Um, we surrounded by rolling Hills Southern. Uh, to Amish communities, local. Um, so a little bit different. Um, you know, I often say to recruits, well, how much time do you spend in the bars and restaurants when you’re 17 and 18 anyway?

[00:12:40] Uh, well, not a whole lot coach. Well, that’s good because we don’t have those, um, you know, we’re an hour from the newest. With 20 minutes from a, from a Walmart and believe it or not, a highlight sometimes is, is getting three or four teammates together, hopping in the car and going on a trip to Walmart and having dinner in this in another small town.

[00:13:02] But that’s team bonding. That’s. Um, so I think that the biggest, the slogan that Graceland university uses is the power of together. And what that encompasses is the sense of community my players, because we are diverse because we are from all over. Um, of course we don’t have any alumni based, uh, players in our team.

[00:13:26] So everybody in our team is from somewhere else. So they call it the family away from. And that’s the closeness, the friendships, all of those things really counts. And I’m a big believer that you can learn on the pitch. You can learn in the classroom, but if you have teammates who are from different countries, different states, different cultures, languages, religions, food, then you learn something new from your teammates every day.

[00:13:57] And I think that that’s for me is the greatest pulling power for us is okay, yet we need to be competitive. We need to have a good education. We need to have good facilities, but it’s our spirit that embodies. Who we really are. And I think that, um, if somebody were to visit, if somebody were to speak with some of our players that comes across in leaps and bounds, that we’re close knit, we are diverse, but we’re close knit and we are family away from family.

[00:14:28] Matt: That’s great. You know, you mentioned your, your team’s got a really solid GPA. So how, how do your students kind of balance their academic and sport commitments? You know, what kind of support systems are there on campus? Uh, et cetera.

[00:14:45] Coach: So, first of all, we give them. Um, I’m a big believer in a three-dimensional college experience.

[00:14:51] And what I mean by that is it can’t just be classroom football, classroom football. There has to be something else in their lives. And because we are a small university and we are in a small town, we are cognizant of the fact that we don’t have malls and bars and restaurants. So. Campus life is, is very active, very busy.

[00:15:13] We have about 80 different clubs on campus, ranging from international club to book club, to a black student union. We even have a soccer player a few years ago, formed a lettuce club and the lettuce club meet twice a year. And whoever eats a full head of lettuce, the quickest is the next president. So we’re, we’re cognizant of the fact that we need to put activities on.

[00:15:41] And I’m also cognizant of the fact that, that the student athletes need to have the time and the ability to participate in campus life. So consistency is key. We train at four o’clock every day. And what that does is allow them to be finished with training and finished with showering and dinner so that they have the whole evening ahead of them for, for S for combining.

[00:16:04] Study study groups and campus activities. So we encourage all of our players to be a part of something else, whether it’s a feta or. Or student government or leadership or peer mentors. So we have a lot of those things in place. In terms of, we do have peer mentors. We have a buddy program in our program where an upperclassmen will take care of, uh, an underclassmen, show them where to go show them the ropes be available for tutoring.

[00:16:39] We have a peer mentor scenario. Which gives free tutoring to students. We have a resource called the writing center where a professor will oversee, um, tutoring, free tutoring for students. If a student has an essay to write and they go to the writing center, the writing center will help them develop the essay, edit the essay.

[00:17:04] They will also contact the professor and say, Hey, Johnny just came. And, and, uh, we had. The essay and the professor will automatically give extra marks for using the resources available on campus. We do have, um, a six hour a week study hold for new students. Uh, and that goes for their first year, whether they’re a transfer or a, or a freshmen, and in if after that 12 months that they are above a 3.0, then we drop that required.

[00:17:36] Um, but, but we feel as though, and those study hall hours are between eight and five. So we’re actually teaching them to study in business. Versus sitting up at 2:00 AM in the morning, trying to get your work done, then you tired. So you miss an ATM class and then you problem exacerbates. So we’re trying to proactively teach them on the front end, how and when to study, uh, how and when to train and how, and when to actually be a college.

[00:18:07] Matt: That’s fantastic. Love that. So you, you, you kind of mentioned it a little bit, but just to get a little more specific, you know, what does a typical non game day or game day look like during the season? The time they wake up till, till going to bed?

[00:18:24] Coach: Uh, depends on the day in terms of, do we have a morning training because, um, right now we train in three times a week at 6:00 AM, um, combining weights with speed and agility.

[00:18:37] Um, but classes, classes run from eight to three. Um, we have, uh, we have another little tradition in our program that, um, you must make your bed because that’s your first achievement of the day. Um, so before you leave your room, you’ve already achieved something. Uh, so classes eight to three, uh, training four o’clock 5 15, 5 30.

[00:19:03] Typically I’m not a big believer in, in, you know, laboring on the training field, short, sharp, get it done. Uh, make the sessions, um, competitive make, make them sharp. Work hard, learn something, have a bit of fun, knock it on the head. You know, I’m not a big believer in these. I sometimes hear about sessions that go two and three hours, and I don’t know how they do that.

[00:19:33] So big believer in short job, Aaron, 15 hour Aaron 30, get the. I have dinner and then your evenings to yourself. So, so typically eight to three training at four dinner evening to yourself evening to, you know, activities game day, obviously a little bit different.

[00:19:55] Matt: Yeah. So let’s talk about that. Your, what is your typical radius in terms of travel?

[00:20:00] Both in conference, out of conference, you know, are there, are students going to miss a lot of class? Cause you got to drive. You know, Montana or something.

[00:20:13] Coach: So the furthest we have driven, um, last season we went to, uh, Jamestown, North Dakota and an out of conference. Uh, so we played presentation in Jamestown on the road.

[00:20:27] Um, but we use it as a preseason trip. We took four days to do that. Um, and it was, uh, a preseason bonding. Scenario? Uh, it was good. Not sure I do that every year. Um, because the drive home was, was long. Um, the drive up there, you can break up the drive back. You just want to get back. So it was long and arduous and, and tough.

[00:20:51] Um, In conference where anything from an hour, which is the Moines grand view in Des Moines, furthest is probably Clark, which is the view or Evangel, which is Springfield, Missouri. So about a five-hour radius. Um, we took, we typically travel with the men when we’re in conference and we always come, come back.

[00:21:16] So we, we don’t have any overnights when we’re in conference. We always come back, which is tough on students. It’s, it’s tough on coaches. You know, sometimes you might leave at 11 or 12 in the morning and you’re not back until two or three in the morning. Uh, and, and, and the rule is you must go to the 8:00 AM class.

[00:21:41] We’ll catch up on sleep.

[00:21:45] Matt: Right. Um, well, let’s talk a little bit more about the team and playing and stuff. You know, you, you, you mentioned, you know, you’ve got a big roster, but you have a reserve team as well. So if I’m an incoming freshmen, you know, should I expect that I’m going to be on the reserve team?

[00:21:58] Am I competing for first team minutes? What, what does that kind of look like?

[00:22:03] Coach: Um, I, I really believes that if you’re, if you’re good enough, then you’re old enough. I don’t care how old you are. If you, if you think back to the 1958 world cup, if the Brazilian, if the Brazilian coach said, well, you, Hey Pella, you’re not old enough.

[00:22:21] We would never have seen a 17 year old Pele in the world. Um, and, and we know how that story developed. So I, you know, I, if you’re good enough, you’re old enough. Um, I really don’t have any differentiation between whether you’re a senior, whether you’re, whether you’re a freshmen, um, if you deserve to play your play, if you need, uh, I’m also, you know, my background is youth develop.

[00:22:51] So all play a development. So player development is continuous. Then the reason that we have a reserve team is to continue the process of player development in a competitive cauldron. There’s nothing worse than, than a kid coming in. And okay, I’m a freshmen. I’ve got to sit on the bench for two years, but I have to train every day.

[00:23:13] That’s. That’s disturbing to me. Uh, it’s the most de-motivating thing I can think of. Um, we also have situations where, you know, a number nine needs needs a goal for her confidence, so, okay. Go play with the reserves and play for an hour and see if you can see if you can play and score a goal against slightly less.

[00:23:37] Pressure or slightly less opposition, uh, player returning from injury might need some game time. So the reserves is set up for lots of different things, but mainly for the continuation of player development in a competitive environment.

[00:23:53] Matt: No, I like that. Um, what about your soccer staff as a whole? How, how many others are there?

[00:24:00] What is their role? What does that look like?

[00:24:09] Coach: That’s me with a part-time assistant. Okay. Um, so that’s it. Um, we, you know, we’re bare bones, um, um, um, everything from coach to agony on to bottle washer to, um, you know, all of the things that go with being a coach of a.

[00:24:32] Matt: Yeah, I I’ve, I’ve been there. I I’m, I’ve mowed the field before as a, as a head coach. I can, I can sympathize for sure.

[00:24:41] Well, what, how would you describe your style of coaching and your team’s style of play?

[00:24:46] Coach: Well, I think first and foremost, I’m an educator, um, I’m solution oriented. So I need the players to understand the who, what, why, where and where. And I’m not afraid for them to say, but why are we doing this coach? But what about this coach?

[00:25:03] Um, because I, I want to develop people with a good football IQ. I want thinkers and movers, not just movers. Um, so everything that we do has a purpose and it’s related to the game, um, on a licensed course, many, many years ago, someone said, if it doesn’t look like soccer, it’s not. Um, and that stuck with me.

[00:25:27] So everything that I try and do, you know, you see a lot of, I’m sure you’re familiar with the convention here last month. No, not this one. Okay. So you’ve been to conventions and you’ve seen all sorts of gadgets and you’ve seen all sorts of sessions and you think doesn’t look like soccer. So for me, it’s gotta look like the game has got to represent the game.

[00:25:49] Um, w I like to coach kind of, um, big, small, big, um, and, and what I mean by that is let’s play the game, then let’s break it down. Let’s go play the game again with a little more knowledge on the topic that we’re looking at. Um, in terms of style of play that I think when you’re a college coach and you’d seen changes every year and the opposition changes every.

[00:26:15] The key to that is flexibility. Tactical flexibility. Can the players adapt to different ways of playing? We play on grass. Most of our opponents plan to this massive difference. There’s a technical difference. Um, does the speed of play difference? We’re in the Midwest, you know, we get all four seasons and sometimes in one day, So can we adapt to the wind or the rain or the snow or whatever, either the heat.

[00:26:45] Um, and then I have to take a look at the strengths of the players who come in each season and say, here’s how I think we can. Our strengths and here’s how I think we can shore up our weaknesses. So we don’t necessarily have a certain formation, you know, a lot of student athletes, when we talking, they say, coach, what do you play?

[00:27:07] And it’s like, well, I play everything from 4 40, 2 to three at the back to five in midfields or five at the back to one up front. So all of that depends on what we have and what the opposition has. So what that means. You may be a central midfielder in your high school team or in your club team as a 16 year old.

[00:27:31] But you may, you may be a right back for us simply because you we’ve seen that. You’ve got the qualities that suit us in our, in our standard and in our conference because the heart of America is undoubtedly one of the best conferences in the country, um, when it comes to competitiveness and standards.

[00:27:51] So we, we need certain things in certain places. And, uh, and you know, so if I were to give you a style, I would probably say something like third man running, where we’re playing into a traditional nine. Um, who’s holding the ball up with, we’re trying to play through the midfield into the nine, because what that does is it immediately turns our midfielders to facing where they want to go and it gets them higher up.

[00:28:22] So if the number nine can hold it up and then bring our built into the game, it then gives us the ability to play that third man running, which is a back and through, you know, how however you want to describe it. Um, so the, the best passing game is a penetrative pass. And I think that it’s difficult to.

[00:28:45] Good penetrative passes if you midfield is deep. So we try and get our midfield higher up the pitch, receive the ball from the number nine. Uh, and then we play penetrative passes from there, whether it’s over the top or through or diagonal. I love to play with wingers and I love the wings to get to the byline and cut the ball back.

[00:29:07] Uh, and then I love the midfield. And arrived late into the box. You know, I used to watch, uh, the days of Bryan Robson and Roy Keane for Manchester United when they would arrive late. And if you arrive late, you unmarked. Uh, so there’s some of the tendencies, I would say that, that.

[00:29:27] Matt: Uh, I love it. I love it. My daughter’s team had two games this weekend.

[00:29:32] We found a lot of success in that late arrivals and up, back and through. So I’m, I’m, I’m right there with you. Well, you know, we’re talking we’re, we’re talking in February, it’s off season. What, what does your non traditional season, your off season program?

[00:29:49] Coach: We’re working really hard right now. And we’re training, uh, 6:00 AM three times a week, um, with a strength, strength and conditioning coach.

[00:29:57] Um, we’re doing speed and agility. We’re in the weight room. We’re playing footstool three times a week indoors because of the weather. And then we’re trying to go outside on the turf on a Sunday for two hours and actually have a training session. So the players are investing quite a bit right now. The last two seasons.

[00:30:18] If you look at our record, our win-loss record has not been the best. Uh, there’s been a number of reasons and excuses, uh, for that. Um, we don’t hide behind what that looks like. Um, I will say that this league is so competitive. That, um, it’s difficult to get a good run of wins when you don’t have as many resources as some of the other people in our conference, central Methodist, for example, a fantastic team.

[00:30:51] But he has 12 rides to give out. We have zero. So they, you know, they, they had reasons. And then we also have some excuses in terms of, um, we had some players out and we had some players who couldn’t come because of COVID, you know, all of those things. So the, the players got together, um, early in the year and decided, Hey, let’s, let’s put a.

[00:31:15] Uh, uh, off-season program together that is going to make us better and invest for next August. So, so right now we’re trading seven times a week, um, which is a lot, um, but it’s something that they really want to do and we’ve got. You know, we’ve, we’ve got cases of the usual flu and colds in the winter. We don’t have any COVID cases, but we’re consistently getting 36 to 40 out of the 46 at training every day.

[00:31:50] Oh, that’s

[00:31:50] Matt: fantastic. All right. Well, you’ve given us a lot to chew on here, but I want to give you one final plug here. What’s, what’s something that we haven’t talked about about your school, your program, anything that you want to make sure, uh, the people know

[00:32:09] Coach: we care, and I think that that’s really important for a player.

[00:32:14] And to her parents and her family to understand that you are a person you’re not a student ID number. Um, we really care about your welfare. We care about developing you as a person. We care about you succeeding academically. Um, I get a report on a weekly basis regarding absences or concerns from professors.

[00:32:37] So we’re very proactive. In the way that we develop people, um, we do it on the front end. Um, so that we’re not always chasing ourselves, is, is, uh, an example for you. If we’re traveling next Tuesday and tomorrow is Friday, our professors will give our student athletes the work that they will miss on Tuesday.

[00:33:03] They’ll give it to them tomorrow on Friday so that they can complete that work over the weekend. And be proactively ahead of the game versus giving it to them next Wednesday when they get back. And I think that’s a really important distinction in terms of keeping people on track, being proactive, caring about the person versus just being student.

[00:33:26] We have about half our faculty come to every home game at our president of the university has not missed a women’s soccer home game in the last two seats.

[00:33:37] Matt: That’s

[00:33:37] Coach: impressive. Yeah. I think those things matter. It just shows that we have, we have a great relationship between athletics and academics, uh, and faculty and administration.

[00:33:51] Um, so we’re, we’re trying to really break down the side. No, that’s

[00:33:56] Matt: that’s excellent. Well, coach, I appreciate your time. Uh, it was great. Learn about Graceland. We wish you all the success in the world for the upcoming season. And, uh, hopefully we’ll, we will continue to develop those players and, and up those wins, uh, for, for in the fall.

[00:34:12] Coach: Thanks for being on your program. Thank you.