Mount Marty University Men’s Soccer – Coach Carlos Saenz

On today’s episode, I speak with Coach Carlos Saenz from the Mount Marty University Men’s Program in South Dakota. We talk about the international flavor his team has. He describes how their school helps students be successful. Lastly, we discuss his flexible coaching style, but also how he makes sure he still holds his players accountable. Learn more about Mount Marty.

[00:00:00] Matt: Hi, everybody. Welcome to discover college soccer. I’m lucky enough today to be joined by coach Carlos from Mount Marty university in South Dakota. Coach. Welcome.

[00:00:08] Coach: Thank you, Matt.

[00:00:10] Matt: So, you know, I, for one, am not familiar with Mount Marty, so this’ll be a good conversation for us to have for all those people who else, who also.

[00:00:19] Familiar, uh, with your school, you guys are kind of in that south Eastern corner, uh, near Nebraska and Iowa, if I’m not mistaken. Um, but so let’s talk about the recruiting side of things and how you, how you get people to, to come out to your school. So when, when do you start usually hearing from players, uh, that are interested in your school?

[00:00:39] When do you start looking at players? What year in high school are they, um,

[00:00:43] Coach: Usually. Okay. Yeah. So usually, uh, the coaching staff has, are, uh, scouting players in their junior year. And eh, by the senior, their senior year in high school, we have a pretty good idea. What are the players that, uh, we would like to open communication right away where, uh, we w we, uh, because we’re really close to South Dakota.

[00:01:11] Iowa and Nebraska, uh, we tend to follow, you know, high school at club, more in those three states, South Dakota. I went Nebraska, but, um, we also hit some major, uh, tournaments, you know, national wise, where we tend to go at least every other year to Las Vegas or, um, Eh, Florida, California, the surf gap, the bigger events to be able to see, uh, a players.

[00:01:42] Usually we’re starting to start paying attention when they’re like playing new 17, so junior getting into their senior year and, and that’s how we start, uh, contacting. Eh, the, the beginning of the senior year, so. Okay.

[00:02:01] Matt: Well, and, and, you know, you guys looking at your roster and judging by your accent, you’re not from South Dakota, even though I know I looked you up and you, uh, you, you, you’re also an alum of the university, which is awesome.

[00:02:13] So you’ll be able to give us some good insights there, but you guys are kind of have a heavy international flavor to your roster. So how does the international recruiting kind of fit into your overall, uh, scheming?

[00:02:25] Coach: Right. Right. So, um, the international recruiting started, uh, uh, when, when I took the position here as a head coach, uh, previous to that, uh, we didn’t have, um, many internationals.

[00:02:40] Um, if I, uh, police correct, uh, incorrectly, eh, probably in, in, in the entire. History of the program. There was like three or four internationals that we came once one at a time to say it that way. So when I took the position, the head coach position here, Um, the conference that we play, uh, this called the G pack.

[00:03:05] It is very competitive. Um, and eh, I will say 70 or 80% of the conference are international players towing order for us to be able to compete. And, um, eh, it continued to grow. I think that that was something that we needed to explore. Um, we recruited, uh, starting to recruit him, uh, mainly in Southern America, because that’s where I’m from and where, you know, from Peru in and then future year or a couple of years ago, then we starting to bring players more from, from Europe as well.

[00:03:41] Uh, so, eh, By being involved in, in tournaments. And I’m building relationship with recruiting companies, you know, overseas and attending showcases in Europe, um, in Mexico, uh, and also in south America, give us the opportunity to be able to identify players, uh, from different countries, um, is being a good blend because we also, eh, continue to recruit locally.

[00:04:10] Um, so for us, it’s been, it’s been a good combination because we feel that, um, when, when you have a group of diverse, uh, we have, everybody has something to bring on the table and you are able to learn a lot, uh, from other countries, but also from the local. So it helps a lot with the team bonding as well.

[00:04:35] So, yeah, that’s

[00:04:36] Matt: awesome. So what. What would you say is the things that you like to see the most in that first communication from a recruit, you know, that first email you get, what do you like to see in that

[00:04:49] Coach: email? For me? Um, something that, that always got my eye is when the player or. Um, done some research about the school.

[00:05:05] So they already kind of like show interest on what we’re able to offer here. Of course, they’re not going to be able to not know everything, but you know, they’re familiar with the major that we offer here we’re located or what kind of division we play. Um, your’e show us. That we’re not just a number for that.

[00:05:28] You know, another institution that that player is looking at is that they’re actually. Paying some attention on and truly think that we can be a good fit. So give us the opportunity to, um, have a deep conversation to that, to that recruit, um, uh, knowing already that, that, that player, um, or that student athletes already have, uh, an idea of what we’re about.

[00:05:58] Um, And what they’re going to see when they come here. So they call,

[00:06:04] Matt: so you mentioned that, you know, you, you kind of look at those three states and then some of the international stuff that comes in, um, and occasionally you’re, you’re, you’re checking out some of the bigger tournaments and things. What, what else are you doing to see players who going to high school games?

[00:06:17] Do you guys run ID camps? Does your staff work camps? How does that other stuff fit in?

[00:06:24] Coach: Um, we go to high school a lot. Um, We, we, eh, we choose, uh, eh, em, every year there is, uh, a different state that we target, uh, to build a relationship with coaches to build relationship, um, with the schools. Um, like we, we do a road trip of.

[00:06:49] Uh, one even two weeks sometimes and go on and see several community colleges, high schools, clubs, talk to talk to them. So they know who we are because like you mentioned, you know, uh, gentlemen, small town, eh, more Marty. If we were starting to be noticed on the air, Uh, for our soccer program. So for me, I think it’s important that not only the players are aware of who we are, but also a coaches, you know, clubs or their soccer, the soccer community knows what we’re about because sometimes that’s where they come.

[00:07:29] Their, you know, the referrals, you know, um, some of the best player that I, that I have are from X division one school, a. Players or even assisting coaches that contact me and say, Hey, I have this really good player that is here in Texas, you know? Um, are you interested? Absolutely. Um, so I think it’s mainly, um, putting ourselves there of, uh, sharing with, with, with the soccer community, what, what we’re doing here and how we think that what a good fit for, for these kids to develop, uh, in the classroom and also.

[00:08:08] On the soccer field. So, um, I think that’s been the biggest success for us. Like I say, you know, uh, we, we just started this project four years ago and we make biggest strides in our conference. And I think it’s because I think people need this, able to see that, uh, we’re putting a lot of passion and a lot of work on what we’re doing here.

[00:08:31] Matt: That’s awesome. So when you’re looking at players, uh, you know, what is kind of your, your checklist, your hierarchy of, of what makes a player stand out that, that you want to recruit either off the field or on the field? What are some of those key factors you’re looking

[00:08:47] Coach: at? Um, for us it’s one more day of the bigger goals, eh, you know, Since I took over here, if that, eh, uh, our team GPA, eh, we, we were, eh, when I was a player here, even, uh, that’s something that we, eh, every struggle, um, probably more than, than on the field is to have a team that was able to perform in the classroom.

[00:09:17] So for us having good GPA’s are it. He, um, also we spend time talking to the recruits, talk a, getting to know them a little bit, uh, understanding where the goal is because, uh, it’s important for us that. They, they, they come and they stay, you know, like they’re, they just don’t come over with a one semester and they learn that this is a no not good fit for them.

[00:09:45] We want to make sure that we answer as many questions as possible, uh, uh, that we ask as many questions as we can, to be able to get a good, uh, Idea. What’s the, what, what that is to the artist looking or, uh, for, uh, for an, a school. And they also get a good idea of what are they, the profile of players that we’re looking here?

[00:10:09] Um, of course, you know, like we have to make sure that the players also are in. At the level that that requires our conference. Uh, but I think it’s a combination of that. Uh, we, we, we recruited players that didn’t have a high GPA. Um, but we, we were able to tell by the conversation that we have with them, that, eh, school was a priority for them.

[00:10:40] Um, and here. Eh, because we’re a small private institution. We get a lot of support from faculty and teachers, uh, tutors, um, everything that they need to be successful in the classroom. So even though we look for, for player, our way you have, uh, you know, um, I throw my academic background, eh, just, eh, Uh, knowing that they, they, they know that their student athletes for, uh, you know, they come over here and that that’s going to be something that we want to ask them to be serious about.

[00:11:17] So,

[00:11:18] Matt: you know, you’ve talked about academics and, and that your private university, so obviously. You know, it was going to come into a play for a lot of folks. So you’re in AIA. So you do have some athletic money. So how does the athletic money and the academic money and everything kind of worked together to help students, uh, attend

[00:11:36] Coach: Mount Marty?

[00:11:39] We, um, The what, what I think is very helpful, uh, at our institution is our scholarship, our stackable. So, uh, in some places, um, I know that you can get one or the other one or you got here. Um, if you’re really good at student. You get, uh, a high academic scholarship. And if you, if you are a good, uh, eh, athlete as well, then you can, uh, get a really good athletic scholarship.

[00:12:12] Um, you just add those two plus other grants that you might qualify based on faith or based on, um, eh, you know, your financial situation. We have some grants that can help. Um, give more money to the, to the player that come from families with low income, uh, and all those grants and scholarships are stackable.

[00:12:37] So if you’re a really good student, good soccer player, um, parents, you know, uh, do not have, or do, are not able to give you the support that you need. Um, eh, eh, most American, uh, don’t have the, the ability to give you a good scholarship package to. Eh, how have you, you know, cover your, the cost of college?

[00:13:00] Matt: Okay. All right. Well, let’s talk about the school a little bit more, um, as mentioned that, you know, you’re in kind of that Southeast corner, uh, near Nebraska, Iowa. So, you know, I went to the website, I was clicking around, got your location. Kind of see what the school’s about. So you, you went there, uh, as a student and now you’re coaching.

[00:13:17] So. Give me the, the inside scoop on Mount Marty. What, what are some of the awesome things about the school that I’m not going to find on the website?

[00:13:26] Coach: Um, you know, a more Marty does a really good job helping a student be successful. Um, they, they. Been a lot of effort on that. So like in my case, you know, I’m, I came from a really, from Peru where English was a barrier where, uh, you know, some of the, of the classes.

[00:13:56] I needed for my degree. It was my first time taking them. You know, they, the system, they set up a more Marty. It, it, it, it’s pretty good to help you, eh, not only, you know, pass the classes, but, and understand the material. They put a lot of time helping the students be successful in the classroom. So if you, um, like I say, if you’re really serious about the degrees, then you have the resources here.

[00:14:23] Um, I think that being in a small town is a plus because no many distractions, uh, even that we have here are really nice lake. Uh, you know, we have, uh, it’s a prime location for vacation. Um, I think Mo GenCon receives around a million visits every, every summer. Um, so it’s a really, really pretty place. Uh, we have.

[00:14:53] Eh, access to airports one hour, like away from us. So it’s kind of like that location where we’re a little bit separated from everything. So you can focus in your classes on and in soccer. Um, but also that you can easily drive. You know, my players go the weekend that we have off, uh, to, to those cities to enjoy themselves a little bit.

[00:15:16] Um, eh, more mighty right now is investing a lot in athletics. 98% of our students, uh, are part of athletics. So we just built a $13 million facility with indoor turf track a feel how that continued to help us develop the players on the winter. You know, it gets very cold here in South Dakota. Um, so Mo like I say, I think that, um, they, they set up for, for student athletes that really.

[00:15:49] Eh, eh, get a degree, get a good opportunity for work. Uh, I also, um, know that in, we have a good reputation in the area, so. And I think 96, 90 7% of our students find jobs before they graduate. So that’s also a, you know, a bluff in there in that people know that more muddy, it gives good education to their students.

[00:16:18] Um, we have one of the best nursing programs in the state. Um, Our exercise science. It’s very good criminal justice business. So it, like I said, I think that overall more Marty, uh, is able to provide that for, for, for the kids. Okay.

[00:16:40] Matt: Um, well kinda give me an idea of, of what a typical, uh, a week is like during the season for a student from the time they wake up till till the time they go to bed.

[00:16:53] Coach: Um, for local, like for my, my players, um, they, they were, God, they go eat breakfast. Most of the classes, they start around eight, 9:00 AM, all the classes take a break during lunch hours. So they have access. So now nobody can miss going to the cafeteria due to classes. Um, they. Go around 3 30, 4 o’clock is when we start practices doing fusion and.

[00:17:25] We practice for a couple hours. Um, we have that Vedic trainers that with us, eh, the strain and conditioning coach very worked very closely with us. Um, they continue to go three times a week for injury prevention and trying to, uh, do some maintenance in, uh, during season with him. Um, he also does evaluations for.

[00:17:50] Uh, scene, uh, and give us an idea, or what are the players that are in risk of injuries based on, you know, this test that he does for, let’s say for entrepreneur example, like a hammer, hamstring strength and things like that. Um, we, we do with guardian reports and teams, um, it, the schedule on college is it’s at least 40.

[00:18:16] Eh, we play 18 games in two and a half months. So during CSUN, It’s it’s BC. Uh, we’re trying to cover as much as possible. Um, but I think, um, something that I feel very proud that we’re, that we do as a program, even though we’re very busy doing CSUN is that we spend time doing community service, doing clinics, um, for, um, human.

[00:18:47] Services center here. Um, we don’t free soccer clinic for the community. We’re about to do another one this spring as well. Um, so the community aspect and the community community involvement, even during CSUMB is important for us. Um, and the team bonding, like I say, we give the captains, uh, the opportunity once a week.

[00:19:08] To for them to, uh, we, we caught one of the training sessions for them to spend time together. Most of the time they go to the lake, they can out there. Um, they have a good time. They get to know each other more than our way to, and, um, we’re able, uh, we’re fortunate that we’re able to feed those things during the busy schedule during, during the.

[00:19:32] Matt: Okay. So on that academic side of things, how do your students balance that, that, you know, like you said, it’s a packed in schedule. How do your students balance the demands of the academic side plus the athletics, uh, and, and, you know, kind of what, what support systems does the school have in place to help them?

[00:19:53] Coach: Right. We have a center. Um, the learning center or academic excellence center where, uh, they, uh, free of charge. They have the opportunity there to sign in with it. We tutor for their class. So we do, we do meet, um, also twice a week. Uh, to do a side table kind of like to study all together. Um, more of trying to make sure that, uh, we’re not overloading the players with too much with soccer and living that apart.

[00:20:26] So they have two or three hours a week that they can see it. And when we oh, Uh, do our work there, but I think the key for us is that when, um, right away, when, when they start in August, we connect them to the center and they’re able to. So as soon as they starting to communicate to us, that one class there is struggling, or we know with grades that are struggling in that class.

[00:20:53] Um, they, they go there and then they set up our tutors. The good thing with the tutors is that they’re open late or up to a close to 10:00 PM. So, um, they, after a dinner, they have three, four hours a window to go over there and, uh, meet, uh, with the tutors and, and able to, um, take care of those classes, teachers itself, you know, That’s one, something that I really enjoyed when I was a student here.

[00:21:25] Uh, and I played four more muddies that, uh, most of my teachers, uh, go to my games. I went to my games, you know, um, eh, and they know they know who you are. They know. Eh, what team you represent on. So that also, I would say that flexible. Would you, you know, with materials, you know, coach, I have, you know, one of the professors work having, uh, our trip, you know, eight hours away.

[00:21:51] We’re going to spend the overnight, there’s an assignment for tomorrow. Eh, can we, can I just give it after coming back from the trip that, that usually it harder to have that kind of it harder to have that cannot relate to. Um, you know, when you go to a really, really big school, when there is, uh, a faculty, whether it’s a professor for 80, 90 kids per class, right?

[00:22:16] Our class size are 2025. So gets an opportunity for the professors and for the students to get to know each other better.

[00:22:27] Matt: Oh, that’s good. Um, so in terms of. Travel cause you know, you’re being you’re in South Dakota, so they’re sure there’s either some travel involved, even in the G pack. Um, how far do you usually have to go and, and how does that affect classes and that whole thing?

[00:22:45] Coach: Eh, I, I didn’t, that would try to keep it not too far. I think the first that we travel. It’s been eight hours for us. Uh, when we go up to like North Dakota, there’s slightly colder in here. Um, same thing. I think we, we, we plan. We’ll make sure that they, the students or the players communicate with, uh, with the professor professors, we give the professors our escape game schedule, uh, in, at the beginning of the season.

[00:23:17] So we try to have a good communication with everybody on campus. So they are aware when we’re going to leave. Um, Eh, uh, three, four days before when we have everything confirmed with the chapter by a charter bus and on the hotels and every other school as well. Um, that’s when we find send, if that final email.

[00:23:41] All the specific details on, and we make sure that that also send to all the faculty here. So, um, sometimes like I say, um, eh, we, we know that there are some players that are strongly with, with some classes and, and it’s going to affect them. We make sure that those players also communicate with their professors directly.

[00:24:06] To make sure that they are, they are aware and they know that this is happening. And you know, if there is a need from the professor that before we travel, that they play years, present the assignments before. Okay,

[00:24:23] Matt: well, let’s talk a little bit more about, about the team and the soccer side of things. So, you know, looking at online, you’ve got a pretty large roster, looks like you have kind of a, a reserve side.

[00:24:33] Um, so how, how, what’s your ideal roster size? How many kids are you trying to bring in each year? Um, you know, if I’m a freshmen, am I immediately on the reserved side or am I fighting for time? How does that work

[00:24:44] Coach: for you guys? Eh, we try to keep, um, Between 40 to 45. Um, there have been years that we were able to go up or we went up even to 48 of 50.

[00:25:00] Um, the idea is for ashes that, um, most, most of the teams on the GP. The conference that we play have similar numbers. And I think that provides an environment of competition inside the squad. He also give opportunity to, uh, some players that, that we like, but we feel that they’re not ready yet, but they’re going to need one, two years training with, uh, with the squad to, to get there.

[00:25:31] Um, So in and we give them the opportunity to be with us so we can train them, get them ready to compete with the first team. Um, eh, but yeah, that’s, that’s kinda like the size that we like to keep it. Uh, it, it, uh, we run practices altogether. Um, we have, uh, we used to practice in a complex with, uh, two feel side to side.

[00:25:59] Um, they feel that we have right now that there feel it’s pretty good quality. We’re able to run it there, get them all together, um, and constantly evaluate them. Um, like I say, the, the, the stronger teams in our conference is because they’re able to build, uh, a largest quad, uh, at a really high level, uh, because.

[00:26:26] We play two, three games a week. And we did with the, with the level of, you know, on how physical the games are, um, the amount of injuries, you know, It, you know, if you don’t have an, a strong squad, uh, with, with large numbers, then at the end of the season, if you’re struggling to, you know, to have a healthy squad to compete.

[00:26:52] So for us, uh, last year I think went up using 28 players, uh, by the time the season was ended because we, we believe that. It would try to make sure that everybody’s training the same. And if we have, uh, um, you know, my, my ride baggage injury, my, my first option is try to sub it with another ride back, so on and be able to give that opportunity to, to the players in those specific positions.

[00:27:22] So, um, we compete also, eh, eight to 10 reserve games. So it also gives them opportunity to get, uh, uh, Then to do it with all the research from the G pack. So also give them an opportunity for them to see what kind of level in this. Um, we do not,

[00:27:49] or

[00:27:56] there are as equally important. The injury prevention that they do in the weight room, the recovery that they do with do the athletic trainer, and then what we can do as a coaches on the field, I think that are equally important. And I think that’s been one of the key of us. We want to compete better and better every year, um, because we’ll have intake, eh, or miss those aspects.

[00:28:21] Right. So, uh, and then that is the coach that I have. That’s a really good job. Um, helping me making sure that even though my main focus is with the 24 25 players, that, uh, that are half on the first team that they’re on the other 25 players on the reserve. Eh, we’re not just living into the side and we’re also tracking their progress so they can go up in any moment.

[00:28:51] That’s great.

[00:28:53] Matt: So, how would you describe your style of coaching and your team’s style of play?

[00:29:00] Coach: Eh, we, I, I think, um, we, we, we like, we like to play, we like to have the ball. I would say if I can like auto, like evaluate the way we’ve been performing, eh, I would say. Eh, even that probably sometime will be easier or, or, uh, you know, the conference that we played to be more direct.

[00:29:32] We do not, we don’t like to skip lines to smart. We like to put the ball on the ground and playing and, and even under, under pressure trying to do it. Um, eh, we do not base on. Size of physicality to recruit player. We like players that, that, that has the soccer on, in, on that, you know, so, eh, we have probably one of the smallest team in the conference.

[00:30:00] Um, and we suffer by, by that because fed pieces has been something that we. Uh, got probably the most goals against us. Uh, but eh, but we have players that like to have the board, I like to play the, put the ball on the ground. We are a culture that, that one, the players to stay organized. Yes. But, uh, but enjoy enjoying the game, you know, do we take away a little bit of the pressure to them?

[00:30:33] We tell them all the time, you know, This is, uh, this is serious. This is, uh, this is a job for. But the reality that it’s that this is the part that this is our highlight of the day. You know, we need to enjoy it. Um, we try to give the players their space, you know, we’re not the type of coaching and staff that are always, you know, checking the rooms, you know, they’re there.

[00:30:59] Now we think that, um, They, they, we, we give them the respect that they need. They’re responsible, they’re already adults. Um, we understand that they’re, they’re, they’re soccer player for us, but also they, you know, they’re students, they’re there. Some of them have jobs that they have to do, you know, to cover some of the winners.

[00:31:21] Then the, the, the, the other aspects of the players too. So, um, I guess I don’t know how my player would describe me, but I, I think that for the most part, we, we tend to be very flexible and understanding with them without getting away way from the guidelines that we want to see in our program. Uh, and the expectation that we set up.

[00:31:47] 44, the entire program. So, um, we will live on them. We, we, we we’re, we’re very happy with the type of players. And I think that, eh, eh, every year we’re going to, we’re going to be better because we, we believe on the players that we have and, and the way we work. So like, everything is a process and. Well, we’ll, we’ll get there eventually, but we don’t want to skip any, any steps.

[00:32:15] And we want to make sure that in, in, in the process, the player feel supported the entire. No. That’s

[00:32:22] Matt: great. Um, so two questions left one, uh, you know, we’re talking here in March. So what is your off season program look like

[00:32:31] Coach: right now? Uh, we, we change roles. So during season I set up the loads on my team. I communicate like, you know, the strength conditioning coach about.

[00:32:43] What, what I want, how much load I’m going to put on them weekly. And he adopts with the, with the, with the work that I do right now. Um, it buffers, eh, we. Eh, the strength and conditioning coach set up the goals for the off season and we adapt to the load to him. So, um, he wants them three, three times a week.

[00:33:10] Um, then we train with them three times a week. Um, So that way, uh, we’re continuing to touch the ball, but we’re not putting too much loads from them that they work, that they’re doing in the weight room is not beneficial. It, uh, their, their goals for, for him that we agree, uh, that is going to help us be more competitive.

[00:33:40] So, which, like I said, we try to follow the guidelines that he gave us. Um, we started to get an idea of what the players that we’re going to have for next year. What are the needs of the team? Um, it’s starting to talk some of the tactic aspects, kind of like, uh, eh, what, what we see that we’ll be able to train for the, for the following year.

[00:34:04] I’m starting to get some ideas in, in the field. Um, but of course, you know, there’s a lot of the, the recruits that, or the people that were committed they’re coming next year, that will change some aspect. But the idea is that they understand what, what we’re thinking, um, and that we are not interfering with the, with the program that they have for the off season.

[00:34:29] Um, Um, yeah, just keep everybody involved. Ready classrooms. It w this is it. This is the time that we want to make sure that, uh, we are a preparing next season and we are already ahead of that. To make sure that when it comes, I guess we can focus a Pacific in soccer and not being to worry about, you know, the other 300 assignment that we have to do as a problem.

[00:35:00] Right.

[00:35:00] Matt: Right. Well, coach, you, you gave us a lot of information, uh, shared some great stuff about the school. So last question I give is, uh, just the catch all. What, what did we miss? What else would you like? Any prospects, recruits, parents, anybody to know about your team, your school, or anything you want to reiterate?

[00:35:18] Uh, this is the last chance. So let, let me have,

[00:35:23] Coach: um, I will say, do to give us, uh, you know, to, uh, give more money on opportunity to show you, uh, what we’re about, uh, what kind of values we have here as an institution. Oh, we feel that we can be a key factor of any individual, uh, grow, um, that a, sometimes it’s no, it’s not, um, a downside to go, uh, to as private a small institution because, uh, I feel that we have the opportunity, the resources and the ability to.

[00:36:07] Um, provide a very good education for anybody and also, uh, uh, uh, uh, developing, developing that is students as, also as a good athlete as well, so. Okay,

[00:36:21] Matt: awesome. Well, coach, I appreciate the time. Wish you the best of luck, uh, this upcoming season and, uh, Well, we’ll share this out and hopefully some people, uh, will see it and want to check out Mount Marty.

[00:36:34] Coach: Awesome. Thank you Matt, for your time, man. I appreciate you meeting with me. Thank you. Thank you.